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Vatican rumblings: Pope Francis aiming to end Latin Mass permission
LifeSite News ^ | July 26, 2017 | John Henry-Westen

Posted on 07/26/2017 10:35:48 AM PDT by ebb tide

Sources inside the Vatican suggest that Pope Francis aims to end Pope Benedict XVI’s universal permission for priests to say the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM), also known as the Extraordinary Form of the Mass. While the course of action would be in tune with Pope Francis’ repeatedly expressed disdain for the TLM especially among young people, there has been no open discussion of it to date.

Sources in Rome told LifeSite last week that liberal prelates inside the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith were overheard discussing a plan ascribed to the Pope to do away with Pope Benedict’s famous document that gave priests freedom to offer the ancient rite of the Mass.

Catholic traditionalists have just celebrated the tenth anniversary of the document, Summorum Pontificum. Pope Benedict XVI issued it in 2007, giving all Latin Rite priests permission to offer the TLM without seeking permission of their bishops, undoing a restriction placed on priests after the Second Vatican Council.

The motu proprio outraged liberal bishops as it stripped them of the power to forbid the TLM, as many did. Previously priests needed their bishop’s permission to offer the TLM.

Additionally, Summorum Pontificum stated that wherever a group of the faithful request the TLM, the parish priests should willingly agree to their request.

The overheard plans are nearly identical to comments from an important Italian liturgist in an interview published by France’s La Croix earlier this month. Andrea Grillo a lay professor at the Pontifical Athenaeum of St Anselmo in Rome, billed by La Croix as “close to the Pope,” is intimately familiar Summorum Pontificum. Grillo in fact published a book against Summorum Pontificum before the papal document was even released.

Grillo told La Croix that Francis is considering abolishing Summorum Pontificum. According to Grillo, once the Vatican erects the Society of Saint Pius X as a Personal Prelature, the Roman Rite will be preserved only within this structure. "But [Francis] will not do this as long as Benedict XVI is alive.”

The plan, as related to LifeSite, involved making an agreement with the Society of St. Pius X and, with that agreement in place, sequestering those Catholics wanting the TLM to the SSPX. For most, that would strip them of access to the TLM since there would not be nearly enough SSPX priests to service Catholics wanting the TLM worldwide.

Moreover, LifeSite’s source suggested that the plan may explain a May 20, 2017 letter by the recently ousted Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, Cardinal Gerhard Müller. Even though Cardinal Müller wanted the SSPX fully reconciled to help fight modernists in the Church, the May 20 letter seemed to scuttle an agreement between Pope Francis and the SSPX which would see them get a personal prelature. The letter includes provisions long known to be completely unacceptable to the SSPX, thus nullifying an understanding SSPX leader Bishop Bernard Fellay believed was imminent.

The LifeSite source suggested that the May 20 letter by Muller perhaps was written because he knows what Francis was up to and wanted to avoid the plan to bury Summorum Pontificum with Pope Benedict. “It’s directed not so much against Fellay but against the agreement,” said the source. “Pope Francis was very angry that document came out from Cardinal Muller and some say that’s why he made the decision to dismiss him.”


TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: b16; benedict16; benedictxvi; catholic; francis; francischurch; latin; liturgy; mass; muller; pope; popefrancis; sspx; summorumpontificum; tlm; vatican
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To: Veto!

Seattle? I haven’t kept up, but through at least the early 90’s your run of Bishops was horrendous.


21 posted on 07/26/2017 11:41:28 AM PDT by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Claud

I might start going to a Latin Mass!


22 posted on 07/26/2017 11:48:47 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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To: elcid1970

The Byzantine Rite is Catholic (one of 22 or so faithful to Rome), and is as beautiful and reverent as any Latin Mass. Check it out.


23 posted on 07/26/2017 11:51:06 AM PDT by redhead (Pray for Christians in the middle east. Crucified, beheaded, burned for their faith)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

We’re not Protestant.

What religion were the Apostles and their descendants following before the Church collected the 72 books of the Bible 300 years after the death of Jesus?

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass developed organically for over 1900 years before these modernists decided to make the Mass more Protestant-friendly. That has worked so well. By their fruits, you shall know them.


24 posted on 07/26/2017 11:55:20 AM PDT by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: CatQuilt

Plese don’t argue with him. He’s trying to hijack the thread.


25 posted on 07/26/2017 11:57:50 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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To: ealgeone
So anything less than 200 yrs old is fair game?
Yes. :-)
26 posted on 07/26/2017 11:59:30 AM PDT by CatQuilt (Lover of cats =^..^= and quilts)
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To: ebb tide

Must be to take the heat off the Vatican over charges being made againt #2 cardinal over child sex abuse crimes down under.


27 posted on 07/26/2017 12:21:22 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: CatQuilt

We have a thread troll trying to hijack this thread.


28 posted on 07/26/2017 12:24:53 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Arthur McGowan
All Frankie had to do was continue the outstanding work of his two predecessors.

Maybe Our Lord is just around the corner.

29 posted on 07/26/2017 12:28:58 PM PDT by Slyfox (Where's Reagan when we need him? Look in the mirror - the spirit of The Gipper lives within you.)
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To: Veto!

I’m not a Catholic but I’d be very interested in attending a Latin mass.

That said I can understand how some Catholics would not be interested in anything other than a Latin mass.

- Megan


30 posted on 07/26/2017 12:31:44 PM PDT by MeganC (Democrat by birth, Republican by default, conservative by principle.)
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To: CatQuilt

“What religion were the Apostles and their descendants following before the Church collected the 72 books of the Bible 300 years after the death of Jesus?”

The Apostles followed no religion. They followed Messiah.

“The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass developed organically...”

Meaning “apart from the Apostle’s teaching and the Words of God.”


31 posted on 07/26/2017 12:49:09 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: ealgeone

None of your business.


32 posted on 07/26/2017 1:11:43 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

No one cares what Protestants think about the Mass.


33 posted on 07/26/2017 1:15:08 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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To: ebb tide

I don’t speak or understand Latin. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with having Mass said in Latin for Catholics who understand and appreciate it.

Looks like a big “**** You!” to Catholics who disagree
with this Pope. He is really going out of his way to
pick a fight here.


34 posted on 07/26/2017 1:17:33 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Arthur McGowan

So much for the group that claims they never change.


35 posted on 07/26/2017 1:17:58 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

QUOTE—However, Pope Francis said this was a “fair and magnanimous gesture to meet a certain mentality of some groups and people who had nostalgia. ... But it is an exception.”—UNQUOTE

This is perfect example of a bald-faced lie that Bergoglio knows will deceive his low-information admirers.


36 posted on 07/26/2017 1:19:22 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Jesus founded a religion. He told the apostles to teach the truths he had taught them, and to teach people to obey his commands.

That’s a “religion.”


37 posted on 07/26/2017 1:21:41 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: Biggirl

Proving yet again, it is the Romam Catholic who is usually the first to get personal and/or resort to profanity when the argument goes against them.


38 posted on 07/26/2017 1:23:39 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ebb tide

I hope someone communicates to LifeSiteNews that NO PERMISSION is needed, or will ever be needed, to celebrate the TLM.


39 posted on 07/26/2017 1:23:46 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

If all you have to contribute is anti-Catholic boilerplate...


40 posted on 07/26/2017 1:26:13 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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