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Interested in Catholic reaction to Francis? Get off Twitter and into the trenches [Catholic Caucus]
Crux ^ | July 9, 2017 | John Allen Jr.

Posted on 07/09/2017 9:20:03 PM PDT by ebb tide

EDITORInterested in Catholic reaction to Francis? Get off Twitter and into the trenches

Pope Francis speaks during his general audience in St. Peter's Square at the Vatican March 15. (Credit: CNS/Paul Haring.)

If all you had to go by in judging Catholic reaction to Pope Francis were press treatments and social media, you'd think it's an all-or-nothing war between devoted supporters and fanatical critics. In the trenches, however, what you find is a spirit of root enthusiasm and loyalty, tempered with a critical edge on specific points depending on what's most important to a particular person.

Saturday, Romans awoke to find a provocative image staring out from their neighborhood newsstands. On the cover of the latest issue of the magazine Millennium, published by the daily Il Fatto Quotidiano, was a traditional depiction of St. Sebastian with arrows protruding from his body, but with the head of the pope, under the title, “The Enemies of Pope Francis: Here’s Who Wants to Force Him to Resign.”

This is hardly the first time an Italian publication has offered a run-down of the pontiff’s supposed enemies, both inside the Vatican and in the hierarchy, but the rhetoric this time was especially breathless.

The title on the inside of the piece was, “Too many enemies for a pope alone: Behold who’s plotting to force Francis to resign,” while a press release by editor Peter Gomez referred to a “true and real war” being waged against the pontiff by “powerful cardinals, screaming ex-Masons and politically connected opinion-makers.”

For the most part, the piece was a run-down of already well-documented episodes, such as Francis’s intervention with the Knights of Malta and the “Vatileaks 2.0” affair, with a Machiavellian undertone that they’re all expressions of subterranean opposition to the pope calculated to make his life so difficult that he eventually decides to walk away.

Perusing press treatments such as this one, or following Catholic discussion on social media, often it would be easy enough to conclude that opinion about Francis is indeed clustered into two opposing camps, each with fairly extreme positions - either a lusty “hosanna” to everything Francis says and does, or an equally emphatic “no” to everything he’s perceived to represent.

As fate would have it, at the same time the editors of Millennium were preparing their cover story, I was in Orlando, Florida, for an event called “The Convocation of Catholic Leaders,” bringing together almost 3,500 bishops, clergy, religious, and lay leaders, some of them from national-level Catholic organizations but most drawn from dioceses and parishes around the country.

In other words, this was about as representative a cross-section of mainstream, meat-and-potatoes, Mass-going Catholics as you’re likely to get in the United States.

Most of them knew what I do for a living, so at least three dozen times over four days I found myself in conversations about Francis - some very brief, some extended, many somewhere in between. I didn’t set out to do a scientifically valid round-up of opinion, but as far as anecdotal impressions go, it was probably a pretty healthy sample.

By far, the most common opening comment I heard - from bishops, from clergy, from laity, from everybody - was some form of the following: “He’s great,” “he’s fantastic,” “I love him.” As Cardinal Tim Dolan of New York put it in typically colorful fashion, “We’ve got Joe DiMaggio as pope, and he’s on a 56-game hitting streak.”

Some people were content to leave it at that. In many cases, however, that fundamental enthusiasm came bundled with a “but.”

Some, for instance, told me that Pope Francis talks too much, and they wish he’d show a little more restraint. Archbishop Joseph Naumann of Kansas City-Kansas told me he’s heard people say, “He shouldn’t give press conferences above a certain altitude,” a joking reference to the pontiff’s legendary free-wheeling exchanges with reporters aboard the papal plane after foreign trips.

Others expressed concern about specific doctrinal points - the pope’s cautious opening to Communion for the divorced and remarried in Amoris Laetitia, for instance, or rumors making the rounds in Rome that Francis may empower a commission to take a new look at Humanae Vitae, Pope Paul VI’s 1968 document on artificial contraception.

(The idea that the teaching of Humanae Vitae could be in for a fundamental overhaul seems a bit of a stretch, given that Francis repeatedly has praised Paul VI for having the “strength to defend openness to life,” as he put in the Philippines in 2015. That’s precisely the thing about rumors, however - people don’t know quite what to believe.)

Others told me they think the pope has a “blind spot” on the sexual abuse scandals, or on women, and others worry that his much-vaunted talk of Vatican reform doesn’t seem to be living up to its billing. Still others said they wished he’d be more careful on immigration, bolder on pro-life issues, and on and on, depending on what topic tended to animate a particular person most and how they evaluate the pope’s record.

Bottom line, there really wasn’t a whole lot of polarization among the people to whom I spoke in Orlando. Pretty much everyone agreed that Francis has been quite healthy for the Church, changing its public image, attracting positive interest and creating missionary opportunities, and also inspiring the Church to break out of any temptation of self-referential navel-gazing and to get out into the game.

For sure, no one I met would qualify as an “enemy” who’d be up for joining a plot to run Francis out of Rome on a rail.

At the same time, these aren’t sycophants either. Most Catholics I spoke to thought this pope, like others they’ve watched come and go, has his flaws, his weaknesses, and areas where he’s out of his depth. In saying that, nobody was wishing him harm or expressing root-and-branch opposition - it was more akin to a healthy recognition that popes aren’t gods, and that loyalty doesn’t mean pretending to be deaf, dumb and blind when debatable prudential decisions are being made (or not made.)

Where I’m going is this: We may well have a mismatch between the public debate about Francis and the reality on the ground.

In public, often it appears to be a zero/sum, all-or-nothing war between supporters and opponents. On the ground, it’s more akin to a back-and-forth among basic supporters (of this pope and any pope) who nevertheless realize that even a great leader can have lacunae, and who are smart enough to know that critical loyalty is of more value to the Church, and to the pope himself, than either fawning unctuousness or blind hostility.

Francis is famous for calling the Church to get “out of the sacristy and into the streets.” In a similar vein, I’d say that if you want to know what most Catholics are actually thinking about Francis, get off Twitter and into the trenches.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Moral Issues; Worship
KEYWORDS: dolan; francischurch; lemmings; orlando
By far, the most common opening comment I heard - from bishops, from clergy, from laity, from everybody - was some form of the following: “He’s great,” “he’s fantastic,” “I love him.” As Cardinal Tim Dolan of New York put it in typically colorful fashion, “We’ve got Joe DiMaggio as pope, and he’s on a 56-game hitting streak.”

Absolutely disgusting. Dolan is a joke.

1 posted on 07/09/2017 9:20:03 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I don’t care “what most Catholics are thinking about” Bergoglio.


2 posted on 07/09/2017 9:40:40 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless The United States of America.)
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To: ebb tide

What ball player would Dolan compare Dr. Miqueli to?


3 posted on 07/09/2017 9:45:54 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide

What ball player would Dolan compare Fr. Miqueli to?


4 posted on 07/09/2017 9:46:43 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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To: ebb tide

John Allen is brilliant and his respect for Pope John Paul II is authentic. However, his conclusion that the convention in Orland is “about as representative a cross-section of mainstream, meat-and-potatoes, Mass-going Catholics as you’re likely to get in the United States” is silly. A class of Catholic administrators had the ability to afford to go to Orlando and they are not going to rock the boat and take a pay cut by criticizing Francis.


5 posted on 07/09/2017 10:08:16 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson (1850-94))
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To: ebb tide

Dolan is as idiotic as he looks.


6 posted on 07/09/2017 10:48:51 PM PDT by ZULU (DUMP THAT POS PAUL RYAN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: ebb tide

I imagine “He’s a joke”, “bad pope”, “might be the antichrist”, “worst pope ever”, are likelier responses.


7 posted on 07/09/2017 11:03:51 PM PDT by FreedomStar3028 (Somebody has to step forward and do what is right because it is right, otherwise no one will follow.)
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To: Falconspeed

Exactly. The bishops and diocesan workers and Catholic media folks at this pow-wow are “the establishment.” They’re not the rank-and-file Catholics in the pews. I’m sorry. If you’re a faithful Catholic and you’re not deeply disturbed by many of the things that Pope Francis has said and done, you’re not paying attention.


8 posted on 07/09/2017 11:19:17 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: ebb tide

What I find extremely frustrating and disgusting about this Pope is not only the circuitous positions on temporal and physical relationships emanating from this Vatican. But his adamant refusal to confront and condemn the theological assertions the Moslems use and claim which portray a corruptible double talking deity that allows them to lie and deceive and murder Christians. He could begin by asking these questions
http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm


9 posted on 07/09/2017 11:34:02 PM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin)
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To: ebb tide

Agree.


10 posted on 07/10/2017 12:48:55 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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To: irishjuggler

Well said.


11 posted on 07/10/2017 12:50:02 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Vacate the chair! Ryan must go.)
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To: ebb tide

Arrest the pedos and put them in jail.


12 posted on 07/10/2017 1:55:20 AM PDT by x_plus_one ( I pray Gods eyes may once again gaze upon me and remind me that I am still His child.)
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To: ebb tide

Francis is the Obama of popes.


13 posted on 07/10/2017 2:45:04 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: ebb tide
We’ve got Joe DiMaggio as pope, and he’s on a 56-game hitting streak.

Kick out this baby-killing faggot, and get your real Pope back.

14 posted on 07/10/2017 3:16:02 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (The RATs: Loved the Soviets, Hate the Russians.)
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To: mosesdapoet

This “pope” is to Catholicism was what the Obama “presidency” was to the USA. When a new REAL pope replaces him, Catholicism will be stronger than ever. This pope is doing REAL Catholics a favor, long term.


15 posted on 07/10/2017 5:04:39 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (We are getting even more than we voted for!)
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To: ebb tide

A little off subject - from my good friend Chris.....

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/04/christopher-manion/catholic-bishops-funding-threatened/


16 posted on 07/10/2017 6:01:14 AM PDT by Arlis
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

Look for him to step down.


17 posted on 07/10/2017 2:58:10 PM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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