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A Non-Catholic German Warns Against Protestantization of Catholicism
1P5 ^ | April 19, 2017 | Maike Hickson

Posted on 04/19/2017 4:31:51 PM PDT by NYer

In the wake of a recent critical overview of the four years of Pope Francis’ papacy as presented by the German Catholic journalist Matthias Matussek, another German journalist (who is not a Catholic) has now raised his voice of resistance with respect to Pope Francis. We speak here about Jan Fleischhauer, who is an editor of the influential secular weekly magazine Der Spiegel, and who, in 2009, wrote a book about his change of conviction away from a leftist to a more conservative viewpoint.

On 17 April, Fleischhauer published a column in Der Spiegel which is entitled “Self-Secularization: The Sponti-Pope [i.e., the spontaneous Leftie Pope](“Selbstsäkularisierung: Der Sponti-Papst”). With its subtitle, the author already indicates what he criticizes the current pontiff for:

Among Church critics, Pope Francis is much appreciated due to his pandering to the zeitgeist. Unfortunately, he thereby repeats the mistakes which the evangelical church has already committed.

Fleischhauer himself knows what he is speaking of here, because he himself was for many years a member of the Evangelical Church in Germany – mainly for political reasons. However, he later left the Protestant church and now describes himself only as a conservative. But he now also shows some admiration for the unmodernized Catholic Church when he writes:

The only Church which one can take seriously is the Catholic Church. I know that this sentence is for many readers an imposition, and I am also sorry that, of all years, I have to write this sentence in the Luther Year [of 2017].

Especially because he has seen some of the gravely defective adaptations of the Protestant church to the zeitgeist of his time, Fleischhauer now regrets that Pope Francis is now leading the Catholic Church into a similar ethos and direction. First, he describes his own admiration for the Catholic Church when he says that

Everything that critics bemoan about the Catholic Church – the Marian devotion, the cult of the Saints, the priesthood, the liturgy – is what, in my eyes, speaks for Catholicism. In addition, of course, to the length of time: an institution which is 2,000 years old has to be taken more seriously than one, let’s say, that is only 500 years old. Whoever was there first as Church, clearly has, when one deals with the last questions, the first position. Everything that [innovatively] comes later is, up to a certain point, heresy.

When speaking about his own final leaving of the Evangelical Church in Germany – at the moment of his own analogous change of political views – Fleischhauer explains just how weak the spiritual roots of Protestantism actually are:

Since the spiritual roots of Protestantism are thin, there is little that holds one back if one changes one’s worldview. A church in which not even the very existence of Heaven and Hell is binding becomes – for everyone who could only be kept in [the church] with the help of faith – a lost cause.

It is here that Fleischhauer sees that Pope Francis is now committing a comparably grave mistake:

If I am not mistaken, then, the Catholic Church is right now repeating the mistake of the Protestants. At its peak stands a man who shows a strange disdain for everything gradually grown and rootedly traditional and who enjoys surprising the Church people with thrown-down follies and jokes.

The German journalist then makes the explicit reference to Matthias Matussek’s own recent “fulminating text” and says that the Catholic Matussek “understands much about the importance of Dogma as a dam against the relativizations of the zeitgeist.” Fleischhauer places Matussek next to the German author Martin Mosebach, “another great Catholic reactionary.”

It seems that Fleischhauer understands more about what has happened to the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council than many Catholics of today, as he attempts to explain:

One could, if one wishes, see in [Pope] Francis the perfecter of a development which started with the Second Vatican Council. The first blow was taken against the liturgy between 1962 and 1965 – not accidentally a decade in which everywhere in the world the iconoclasts leaped greatly forward.

Here we Catholics are being rightly instructed by a German journalist as to how the Catholic Church removed “important elements of the centuries-old rite” because “she wanted to adapt to the zeitgeist”: “Priests no longer stood before the altar, but behind it, like behind a moderator’s table of the “Tagesthemen” [a German TV news show].” He also mentions here the thorough removal of the Latin language and the dubious permission of Communion in the hand. Piercingly, Fleischhauer adds:

Where they also took it especially seriously with the change of times, the clergymen themselves dragged the altars into the fields and chopped the Saints’ statues into pieces. For those without faith, these things might appear to be minor things, but, of course, it is not. Whoever has once assisted at a Mass in the old Tridentine Rite knows what the Church has lost when she succumbed to the 68-rush [cultural revolution of the 1960s].

Fleischhauer makes a prediction for the future of the Catholic Church, namely: if she follows the road the Protestants have taken, she will lose Church members and, consequently, will then consider adapting even more so to the zeitgeist in order to be purportedly more attractive. In the end, says the German journalist, the Catholic Church will have the same dilemma as the Protestants: “If the Church dissolves that which differentiates her from those other secular offers professing to give life a meaning – why then is the church still needed?” It is in this context that Fleischhauer sees the growth of Islam in the world which seems to move into the vacuum and to “fulfill spiritual needs better than the Christian competitor.”

This article written by Jan Fleischhauer is an uplifting as well as sobering event. It shows to us how elements of truth will always find their way into the minds of honest people. We have seemingly come to a point where modern man is becoming tired of the pervasive relativism – and its accompanying ideologies – for, they do not correspond to reality. Man has a thirst for the true, the trustworthy binding, and the beautiful. The modern world has mostly produced ugliness, loneliness and a lack of love.

Is it not time for all of us – inside and outside the Catholic Church – to make an effort to free ourselves cooperatively, to come out from under the “rubble” and thereby to find the way back to the deeper sources of trust and joy which can only be found in and through Jesus Christ Our Savior – and in His Sacramental Church?



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To: ebb tide

Excellent!


41 posted on 04/19/2017 7:54:33 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion
Mary was a chosen vessel, for God's purposes, but she was a sinner, just like all of us, and she had a bunch of kids, fathered by Joseph. Half brothers and sisters of Jesus.

Chapter and verse, please?

42 posted on 04/19/2017 7:56:52 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; metmom; boatbums; MHGinTN
I now see why you left the one, true religon.

I know that most of my Catholic high school classmates were far more evil than me. They committed FAR more mortal sins than I did, so maybe most of them left too. I just don't know. I joined the USAF, and got away from all of them. I found the truth two years after I joined up. It was a beautiful experience. Try it you'll like it. 😀

43 posted on 04/19/2017 7:57:16 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Salvation

Thanks, Salvation.


44 posted on 04/19/2017 7:59:07 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; metmom; boatbums; MHGinTN
Chapter and verse, please?

Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3. I know when I was a Catholic, I believed Mary was always a virgin. I don't accept that anymore. I think we will have to agree to disagree bro. Once again, enjoy eternity. I know I will.

45 posted on 04/19/2017 8:12:20 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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I care not for a person lecturing another on presumption when they presume to tell another what their true religion is. OR when they presume the predominant denomination in Heaven is Catholic when Heaven doesn't have denominations.
46 posted on 04/19/2017 8:16:36 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Beware of strong drink. It may cause you to shoot at tax collectors . . . and miss.)
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To: Mark17
I know that most of my Catholic high school classmates were far more evil than me.

As I said earlier, presumption is a sin.

[9] And to some who trusted in themselves as just, and despised others, he spoke also this parable: [10] Two men went up into the temple to pray: the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [11] The Pharisee standing, prayed thus with himself: O God, I give thee thanks that I am not as the rest of men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, as also is this publican. [12] I fast twice in a week: I give tithes of all that I possess. [13] And the publican, standing afar off, would not so much as lift up his eyes towards heaven; but struck his breast, saying: O God, be merciful to me a sinner. [14] I say to you, this man went down into his house justified rather than the other: because every one that exalteth himself, shall be humbled: and he that humbleth himself, shall be exalted. Luke 18

47 posted on 04/19/2017 8:20:21 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: BipolarBob; Mark17

Do you enjoy committing mortal sins as Mark 17 does?


48 posted on 04/19/2017 8:22:27 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

It is as I described, nothing you posted has anything to do with faith in the promises of God - especially believing what He said about eternal life!

Do you know today that you have eternal life?

God says you can know.


49 posted on 04/19/2017 8:22:44 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Mark17
I know I will.

Still presumptuous, I see.

50 posted on 04/19/2017 8:33:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I know I have eternal life; but I don’t dare presume to know whether it will be in Heaven or Hell. I hope the former and I strive for it.

Hope is a virtue. Presumption is a sin.


51 posted on 04/19/2017 8:40:15 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide

11 And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

No need for any presumption, when you take a God at His Word.

The Apostle John makes it clear.

I have eternal life because I have believed in the Son of a God. Glory to Him alone.


52 posted on 04/19/2017 8:46:32 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

No.

First you have to have the Son. And anyone who rejects the Son’s Church rejects Him.


53 posted on 04/19/2017 8:55:51 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion; metmom; boatbums; MHGinTN; BipolarBob
You know, when I was a Catholic, I enjoyed committing mortal sins, and most of the other people in my Catholic school, were far more evil than me. Now, I hate committing sins, but there is one "sin" I love to commit. That is the "sin" of presumption.

This is what I said bro. You twisted it as I figured you would. Yes, when I was a Catholic, I loved comitting mortal sins, as most Catholics do, like most of my Catholic school classmates, even though I do not accept your interpretation of "mortal sin." ALL sins are mortal sins. Then, of course, you skipped over the part where I said "NOW I hate committing sins." I will have to assume you made a mistake, and inadvertently left that part out. I know it was inadvertent, right? You couldn't possibly have done that on purpose. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. 😆
Look bro, you can believe whatever you like. That's completely on you bro. I guess we will all know on judgement day, won't we. Some people are going to have the biggest shock of their existence. I will NOT be shocked. Have a great eternity bro. 🔥 I know I will. I know, I know, that's the sin of presumption. Such is life. We will have to agree to disagree bro, because we will NEVER, EVER agree on ANY theological issue. I am OK with that.

54 posted on 04/19/2017 8:56:19 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: Mark17
I will NOT be shocked.

I'm afraid you will be shocked. I'll pray for you tonight.

Dominus tecum.

55 posted on 04/19/2017 9:01:11 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion
First you have to have the Son. And anyone who rejects the Son’s Church rejects Him.

I disagree bro. I honestly hope you make it through judgement day, but if you don't, that's on you. AMPU put it rather simply. Again, I doubt we will EVER agree on ANY theological issue. That's fine with me. Now, if you will excuse me, I have some Catholics here, for our normal Thursday afternoon Bible study. Yes, it's Thursday afternoon here, and it's HOT. April and May is summer here.

56 posted on 04/19/2017 9:05:13 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: ebb tide

I will pray for you, that you won’t be shocked, because it is a shock that people will NEVER recover from. Now, I gotta go and lead the Bible study. Later bro.


57 posted on 04/19/2017 9:08:27 PM PDT by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is history)
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To: metmom

“Heh, and all those sedevacantists and Pope Pious V supporters and rad trads and anyone else who doesn’t like the current pope are what exactly?”

They’re essentially unimportant in the Church. That’s what they are.


58 posted on 04/19/2017 9:11:02 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Mark17

I will pray for those Catholics, also. They know not what they do.


59 posted on 04/19/2017 9:13:57 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome)
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To: ebb tide; Mark17; aMorePerfectUnion
>>Mary was a chosen vessel, for God's purposes, but she was a sinner, just like all of us, and she had a bunch of kids, fathered by Joseph. Half brothers and sisters of Jesus.<<

Chapter and verse, please?

Why pretend that chapter and verse will make any difference??? There is far MORE Biblical proof that Mary was a sinner saved by grace like us and that Jesus had half-brothers and sisters than there is that she remained a perpetual virgin, was born without a sin nature and remained sinless all her life. I think Mary is a pretty terrific example of a faithful believer that we can all emulate without having to tack on a bunch of unbiblical myths, legends and so-called apparitions. Isn't what the Holy Spirit chose to tell us through the Divine word enough?

60 posted on 04/19/2017 9:18:29 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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