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1 posted on 09/06/2016 3:57:17 PM PDT by NYer
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Stunning! Look around you and ask yourself ... “where did this come from”? It’s so simple. If not God, then what created the universe.


2 posted on 09/06/2016 3:58:35 PM PDT by NYer (Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy them. Mt 6:19)
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I didn’t leave Catholicism, because I never belonged. Yes, at age 10 my mother forced me to go to a catholic church where a child molester jammed a cracker down my throat along with some wine while babbling a bunch of nonsense in an extinct language. Yet there are those, including a rabidly catholic brother in law, who think this makes me a catholic for life. Wrong. I am no more catholic than a Jew or a moslem is. I didn’t choose Catholicism and I never wanted any part of it. Therefore, I never left it. It may have been my mother’s religion, but it was never mine. And catholics need to get over it. I want no part of their church. I never have and I never will.


5 posted on 09/06/2016 4:06:04 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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Looking up on a crisp,cloudless night is more than enough for me.And then we can move on to photos from the Hubbell Telescope.

If there's a clock,there's a clock maker.

8 posted on 09/06/2016 4:08:24 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (In Today's America Feelings Are The New Truth)
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Ya, science is going to teach these kids all about morality.


13 posted on 09/06/2016 4:12:00 PM PDT by NurdlyPeon (It is the nature of liberals to pervert whatever they touch.)
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Since when do 10 year olds get a vote on whether to go to church or not?


14 posted on 09/06/2016 4:13:12 PM PDT by pepsi_junkie (ui)
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How are they allowed to leave while still living with their parents? After they leave home I could see it and understand completely.


15 posted on 09/06/2016 4:15:23 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Hillary is Satan's spiritual advisor.)
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The church can do some but the primary opportunity is the parents’. The article says even a once - weekly faith- related activity makes a significant difference for the kids. It’s the parents that can provide or at least enable this for their nice little Porto- atheist rug rats.


18 posted on 09/06/2016 4:17:00 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero.)
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“desire among some of them for proof, for evidence of what they’re learning about their religion and about God,” Gray said.

American physicist John Wheeler, describes it in this way, "A life-giving factor lies at the centre of the whole machinery and design of the world."

26 posted on 09/06/2016 4:25:27 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Because puberty?


28 posted on 09/06/2016 4:27:27 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Good article and what it says is what I’ve seen in CCD. I’ve taught from 11-13 year olds.

Kids this age need reasoned logical instruction. The kind of touchy feelly stuff most women like turns them off. It’s hard for our local parishes to find teachers at all so relatively uneducated women is what most parishes can offer their students.

The idea that evolutionary (or any other science) is anti-Christian seems mostly a Protestant idea. Kids taught from a Catholic perspective never think there is a conflict.

The textbooks for kids this age are too simplistic and sometimes simply wrong. I used my university notes and bibles and put together my own scripture class. University style instruction challenges the mind and that intrigues the students.


46 posted on 09/06/2016 5:20:31 PM PDT by Varda
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Science and faith do not cancel each other out as this article proposes. In fact, science supports faith.

Read any NDE (Near-Death Experience) account and you will find the answer.


52 posted on 09/06/2016 5:49:43 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Young Catholics are leaving the faith at an early age – sometimes before the age of 10 – and their reasons are deeper than being “bored at Mass,” the author of a new report claims.

Well; by the age of ten they know how to do searches on the 'net.

So they do.

Finding out OTHER things about your 'church' can have upsetting results.

Young Bereans: GOD bless them!

62 posted on 09/06/2016 6:00:25 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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sounds like the kids are being brainwashed by social darwinism in the schools...stalin was actually a seminary student until he read darwin..

the catholic church promoted science, the more you understand science, the more you understand God. Pasteur prayed the rosary.

69 posted on 09/06/2016 6:17:45 PM PDT by Coleus (For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.)
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(they find the faith “incompatible with what they are learning in high school or at the university level.” )

Enough said. The brainwashing of kids is working for the liberals/atheists.

It would help if the Catholic Church taught from the Bible more, instead of these crazy traditions that are not in the Bible.


70 posted on 09/06/2016 6:52:08 PM PDT by winner3000
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(they find the faith “incompatible with what they are learning in high school or at the university level.” )

Enough said. The brainwashing of kids is working for the liberals/atheists.

It would help if the Catholic Church taught from the Bible more, instead of these crazy traditions that are not in the Bible.


71 posted on 09/06/2016 6:52:16 PM PDT by winner3000
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And it is losing Catholics at a young age. “The interviews with youth and young adults who had left the Catholic Faith revealed that the typical age for this decision to leave was made at 13,” Gray wrote. “Nearly two-thirds of those surveyed, 63 percent, said they stopped being Catholic between the ages of 10 and 17.

Number one reason: unresolved sexual sins coincident with teenage rebellion and substance abuse; not unlike other faith communities

74 posted on 09/06/2016 7:25:51 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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eh, pretty bummed this thread decended into all the previous comments when I was hoping some good information could be shared within it.

my 13 year old son who has gone to parochial school all his life recently told me he plans on leaving the church when he turns 18. I asked why and his reasoning was what he was learning in school goes against what he believes. I asked him to explain it and he said that at school he is being taught that his deeds are the key to heaven and that he must perform deeds, he says that faith and faith alone is the ticket to salvation. he said in a discussion of rapture, which was kind of hush hush, that he said rapture was a good thing and drew the scorn of his teacher and classmates, saying its not fair that only some people get to go and there are those left behind, even “good people”. he asks why they don’t cover or discuss Revelations and when he asks questions or tries to bring it into discussions he is shut down by the teacher. he also said they have a new history teacher this year who tells them to go out and try new and everything, saying he seems a bit too liberal for a parochial school. he asks why he has to call the priests Father, when 1) the only father is God himself and 2) his other father is at home.

he has this and next year before going to high school. I was going to try to move mountains to afford to send him to a good Catholic school but now feel I would be better off saving that money for college expense since he is at odds with Catholic teaching.

the kid is very bright, very intelligent. he does his homework and will perform research before forming his opinion. he says he finds himself in disagreements quite often with his classmates who I don’t feel he ever really bonded with. his birthday is pretty much the first day of school each year so we started him in K as fresh 6 year old instead of a 5 year old, his maturity is obvious against his classmates. he said a typical political discussion he recently had went kinda like this

Zach - like him or not, I think Donald Trump is the only choice an American who cares about his country can make.

Kid - you just like him because he is on TV. Hillary Clinton is better.

Zach - for starters we are Catholics and we must value the right to life over everything. Hillary is a lifelong supporter of abortion and Planned Parenthood which goes against everything our family, church and school is teaching us.

Kid - well you are a dummy.

The kid loves to talk about the 2 dreaded subjects, religion and politics. His classmates talk BFFs and Taylor Swift. I don’t think he is being challenged in the environment. I am also starting to think that perhaps he would be better off to go to public high school, armed with the knowledge that the forces of liberalism are strong there, that they will want to try to undo his previous 9 years of parochial teachings. he can go in and be the young conservative voice that is not afraid to speak up.

He also says that Pope Francis concerns him, Im right along with him there and the Pope has really been driving me from the church. I don’t see myself ever leaving the faith but after my son leaves parochial school and we aren’t obligated to the number of masses to attend each year I can see myself going to church less but personally reflecting more.

He has asked his mother who converted from being a Baptist if she would take him to a Baptist service some time. if anything, I would be inclined to take him to a Lutheran service but it does concern me that I sacrificed to send him to the school of my faith and it drives him away.


89 posted on 09/07/2016 1:19:31 AM PDT by Finatic (Sometimes I think it would be nice to just get it on and get it over with. Once and for all.)
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