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Hovering over Rome: The Ghost of Martin Luther
The Catholic World Report ^ | March 16, 2016 | Allessandra Nucci

Posted on 03/17/2016 7:49:46 AM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide
So why did you apostatize from the Church He founded?

I didn't. I became part of His body when I was born again and have not turned my back on Christ yet.

What I left was the religious organization that CLAIMS that it the one, true ,church that Christ founded.

What it claims and what Scripture teaches do not agree so I threw my lot in with the Word of God.

And to whom have you been confessing your sins?

God, as if it's any of your business. He promised that if I confessed my sins, He WOULD forgive them. I believe Him.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I find it quite amusing that protestants claim "sola scriptura", yet cherry-pick the same to their own whims.

It's quite amusing that Catholics continually take that verse out of context to support their doctrine. And taking verses out of context is what cherry picking is.

Tell me, why would God give unbridled power to send people to hell to mere men?

He would put one man's soul for eternity in the hands of a corrupted fellow human being, so that priests could blackmail people with their eternal salvation?

There's a quote I've seen recently.....*Absolute power corrupts absolutely.*

Since God Himself promised to forgive my sins if I confess them, then no man has the right or authority to retain them.

121 posted on 03/17/2016 1:15:32 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

Thanks for your concern, but I am willing to take my chances with assurance of salvation. It is the cause of a lot of peace in my life. Anyone can have it.


122 posted on 03/17/2016 1:18:01 PM PDT by Mark17 (Thank God I have Jesus, there's more wealth in my soul than acres of diamonds and mountains of gold)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“not any church, of any kind”

The scripture clearly shows us the universal Church is his body. If you stand apart from ‘any church’ you can’t claim to be in Christ. You can not trust in Christ and reject that which he established.


123 posted on 03/17/2016 1:20:25 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: metmom
What I left was the religious organization that CLAIMS that it the one, true ,church that Christ founded.

So what is the "one, true Church that Christ founded, that you've switched to?

124 posted on 03/17/2016 1:20:26 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
Totally at odds with Ephesians 1:13-14 and the New Testament.

Christians are not bragging about the security of their salvation. We realize it stems from nothing we've done or can do.

We know that our sins were forgiven at a very, very high immeasurable cost through the shed blood of Christ. Colossians tells us He has wiped away all of our sins having nailed them to the cross.

We know we are not perfect in any stretch.

We also know it is through Him and Him only, due to His grace that we have salvation because we have believed....much as the disciples did as noted in John 6.

125 posted on 03/17/2016 1:21:44 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: Mark17
Anyone can have it.

As did Mohammed. I hope you fare better than him.

126 posted on 03/17/2016 1:22:53 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: TalonDJ
Church in the New Testament refers to the body of believers....the ekklesia. It does not refer to the roman catholic church.

Faith in a "church" does not save you.

Jesus tells us to believe in Him......."I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; No one comes to the Father, but through Me." john 14:6

127 posted on 03/17/2016 1:24:06 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981

You’ve not heard me defend Luther. All I point out is that catholics need to remove the beam in their eye before they attempt to remove a splinter in someone else’s eye.


128 posted on 03/17/2016 1:25:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981

Dude, really. Stop arguing from your erroneous dispensational and politically-correct driven position.

If you find that Luther was an anti-Semite then you should likewise be defending the Mohammedans as he railed against their false religion, too. Can you call Lutherans antiMormonites? How about we are called-out as antiMason or antiShriner? Are you ready to go down those roads?


129 posted on 03/17/2016 1:25:44 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations: The acronym defines the science.)
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To: ebb tide; aMorePerfectUnion
Good luck with that thinking, but I doubt it will work out well for you and the others.

Why? What's wrong with it?

Jesus isn't enough?

130 posted on 03/17/2016 1:31:09 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone

If we claim we have no sin......


131 posted on 03/17/2016 1:31:54 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
sounds like someone may have committed a “mortal” sin. if I were catholic, I'd be hightailing it to the priest lickety split.

I am very thankful I am not a roman catholic. The fear one must live in not knowing if they've blown it somewhere.

132 posted on 03/17/2016 1:33:47 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: TalonDJ
If you stand apart from ‘any church’ you can’t claim to be in Christ.

But we're not talking about *any* church but rather the organization that claims it's the one, true church, the only one that Jesus established and the one they claim you have to be part of to get to heaven.

133 posted on 03/17/2016 1:36:56 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Jesus isn't enough?

Not enough for those who apostatized from His Church.

134 posted on 03/17/2016 1:37:57 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

Religious organizations are not Christ’s body8.

His body is a spiritual body, comprised of all believers everywhere for all the church age, regardless of where they choose to worship.

Churches don’t make believers, believers make up the church.


135 posted on 03/17/2016 1:38:35 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ebb tide

Jesus isn’t enough, eh?

I’m sure He’ll be interested in hearing that what He did for you wasn’t adequate when you see Him on Judgment Day.

Show me Scripture, in the words of Jesus, where He tells us that we have to belong to the Catholic church to be saved. That membership in a church is what saves one.


136 posted on 03/17/2016 1:43:28 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: ealgeone
You’ve not heard me defend Luther. All I point out is that catholics need to remove the beam in their eye before they attempt to remove a splinter in someone else’s eye.

And yet you just have, twice, surreptitiously; can you write "Luther was a vicious antisemite and I categorically condemn his antisemitism" before the cock crows thrice ?

137 posted on 03/17/2016 1:45:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: metmom
Someone sold you a bill of goods. I'm sorry that you purchased it.
138 posted on 03/17/2016 1:46:12 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: metmom
Judgement Day?

Are you kidding? Many of you protestants seem to think that you're already saved, even before their final judgement by Christ. The sin of presumption.

139 posted on 03/17/2016 1:50:13 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide
So you just don't do it? Is that correct?

FRiend, if you are just going to be argumentative and distort what I post, perhaps we should end our converstion.

140 posted on 03/17/2016 1:52:02 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (BREAKING.... Vulgarian Resistance begins attack on the GOPe Death Star.....)
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