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To: af_vet_1981

You’ve not heard me defend Luther. All I point out is that catholics need to remove the beam in their eye before they attempt to remove a splinter in someone else’s eye.


128 posted on 03/17/2016 1:25:05 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
You’ve not heard me defend Luther. All I point out is that catholics need to remove the beam in their eye before they attempt to remove a splinter in someone else’s eye.

And yet you just have, twice, surreptitiously; can you write "Luther was a vicious antisemite and I categorically condemn his antisemitism" before the cock crows thrice ?

137 posted on 03/17/2016 1:45:52 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: ealgeone
You’ve not heard me defend Luther. All I point out is that catholics need to remove the beam in their eye before they attempt to remove a splinter in someone else’s eye.

But that would require an objective examination of the words, attitudes and actions toward the Jews by both Luther, popes and Rome, but it convenient for myopic RC rage against Protestantism to personify the latter in the person of Luther, and construe him in the worse possible light. To objectively examine both the words, attitudes and actions toward the Jews by both Luther, popes and Rome must include examining the merit of the charges against Jews, and yet what the Christian response should be, which both Luther and Rome acted contrary to.

And in so doing one must determine whether the charge would be Anti-Semitism or Anti-Judaism, meaning whether the attitude toward the Jews was due to their beliefs and behavior that flowed from it, or whether it was based on race.

Would criticizing the Jews for strongly opposing gospel preaching and attributing their suffering to being Divine judgment be antisemitism?

Should characterizing a race as being overall gluttons and liars be considered sinful racism?

The same holds true for racism today. Is opposition to those of Middle Easter ethnicity or blacks moving into an area due to belief in white (or Latino) supremacy, or due to what their culture typically manifests? I myself am a minority where I live, and see liberal conceited "yuppies" (who overall want pets rather than kids) as more of a threat to the mostly working, family-orientated community with its many Christians, but not because of race. Protestantism

In addition, in order for the hypocritical anti-Luther tirade to have much polemical value against Protestantism as a whole, not only must it be shown that such is not hypocritical in the light of papal and RC attitudes and actions, but Protestantism looks to him as a pope, or that the faults of a founder impugn or invalidate any claims to the validity of any of his distinctive teaching.

That Luther was guilty of an inexcusable attitude words and counsel against Jews is admitted by many evangelicals, such as Michael Brown, even though we do not hold the same, not operate under the papal model, and are the strongest supported of the Jews and their state. I believe a special love for the Jewish people, who are yet beloved for their father's sake, is a normal mark of regeneration.

But certain self-righteous RCs seem to demand we treat Luther as a Hitler and never liken Rome's attitude and actions toward the Jews to that of Luther, or or apologize for it, even though unlike us, their one basic duty is to simply follow their pastors.

431 posted on 03/21/2016 7:39:01 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned and destitute sinner+ trust Him to save you, then follow Him!)
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