Posted on 08/21/2015 7:07:55 AM PDT by Salvation
Thank you.
Guilty as charged!
If only I could live up to the accusation. I do try.
Joseph Smith said the same thing. Doesn't make him right.
And what prevents them from doing so? After all The Apocrypha were initially long rejected by the Catholic church as inspired writings, however, after controversy were officially canonized following the Protestant Reformation during the Council of Trent in 1546 AD.
Joseph Smith was originally a Protestant. Ellen Gould was a Protestant. Mary Baker Eddy was originally a Protestant.
Martin Luther and John Calvin were Roman Catholics. Protestants are not to blame for the cults you mention any more than the RCC is to blame for Protestants.
If you are referring to the Deuterocanonicals those were included in the Septuagint and were accepted until 90 AD when anti-Christian Jews removed them. These members of the Rabbinical school also left out the various books of the New Testament that were available, Why would you follow their abbreviated canon?
Or, is that finally an admission from some non-Catholic that people who claim to be Catholic but follow Protestant doctrine are in fact no longer Catholic at all ?
If so, that would be a refreshing change from the folks who ignore Nancy Pelosi clearly espousing Protestant doctrine as her faith and insist she's a Catholic because she claims to be one.
So, the first step in being informed through Scripture it to throw out a large portion of Scripture ?
That's an absurd claim in light of not retaining the entire Old Testament as it was accepted at the time Christ walked the earth and never once mentioned that there were books included in the Old Testament that were not inspired by the Word walking the earth.
This myth has been dealt with time and time again. Have a good day.
After all, if Christ and the Apostles never mentioned that a portion of what was then regarded as Scripture shouldn't be included in the canon, either Scripture isn't all we should rely on or all those books Protestantism throws out should still be in their canon. Either way, they deny their own doctrine.
Your comment: “The big difference is asking dead people to do anything. They are beyond our reach. As far as living they can pray to the Lord for anything they want and for me and others if they wish. I do not however need someone who stands in between me and the Lord (like the Pope or any earthly pastor) and tries to act as a channel or direct line for me. I have a direct line, His name is Jesus.”
So how do you know? Do you ever listen? Do you really listen?
I often feel that some of my thoughts come from inspirations of others, including my deceased Mom and others. I give credit to Jesus for the blessings that I receive, but I feel that there are many others that are looking out for me.
Most of us feel that we are at the center of our universe, but just as the body parts work together, we are influenced and need to participate with the rest of the Body of Christ.
Be open to the mysteries of Christ and how He allows things to work so that we may all join Him in Heaven.
Death is a state of physical being, but a soul is eternal.
We are told in Revelations 8:4 the prayers of the saints are being offered in Heaven. Who are those prayers from? Are the angels acting as mediators, offering them to God?
Just a thought.
Full Definition
1 :a dissenter from established religious dogma; especially :a baptized member of the Roman Catholic Church who disavows a revealed truth
2 :one who dissents from an accepted belief or doctrine :nonconformist
Not derogatory; a simple term used especially during the Reformation. Romanist, Papist and other names we're called came out about the same time.
Msgr. Pope stated what others believe, in a way that was not derogatory. Read through this thread again, from the beginning, and note the made-up, derogatory names people have called our Church, its teaching authority, and our Pope. That is bashing. and no, that isn't nice.
“Is this a tradition of the church now putting a blessing on contacting the dead or trying to, to get their help?”
They’re open to suspect visions, apparitions and channellings already.
You might get an informed response that could help one reach a goal of life with Jesus instead of just our own self-serving biased opinion.
I appreciate all the help I can get in becoming closer to Jesus and spending eternity with Him.
“I appreciate all the help I can get in becoming closer to Jesus and spending eternity with Him.”
I’m sure a “priest” will be so much more helpful in that endeavor than the actual Word of God eh?
Yes. Most of them have studied the Word and preach on it every week. Priests have dedicated their life to following Christ and they are the successors of the Apostles. They were instructed by Jesus to go out Preach and Baptize.
Certainly they are not perfect and are sinners like the rest of us.
So if you read the Bible by yourself, how does Jesus spread the Word?
It seems logical and historical to me that Jesus founded the Catholic Church and delegated to the Apostles and their successors - Catholic Bishops and Priests to follow His command to go out to Preach the word and Baptize in His name.
Thanks, FRiend.
“And what prevents them from doing so?”
It can’t happen so it won’t.
“After all The Apocrypha were initially long rejected by the Catholic church as inspired writings, however, after controversy were officially canonized following the Protestant Reformation during the Council of Trent in 1546 AD.”
No. The Apocrypha were always rejected by the Church. The Deuterocanonicals were never rejected by the Church. Protestants often confuse the two. Also, the Deuterocanonicals were not “canonized” at Trent. They never needed to be just as any part of scripture did not need to be.
“Martin Luther and John Calvin were Roman Catholics.”
Actually, no. They never would have referred to themselves as such. They were Catholics before they became heretics. I am Catholic and will not become a heretic.
“Protestants are not to blame for the cults you mention any more than the RCC is to blame for Protestants.”
Actually since Christian Scientists and Adventists fit in the Protestant camp (Mormons do not but are from it) Protestants are more responsible than anyone else. Adventist heresies are no more strange than Protestant ones to orthodox ears unfamiliar to them. The Catholic Church is not responsible for Protestant heresies because it never taught them and only condemned them. Protestants, however, from the beginning indulged in heresies which could only lead to groups like Adventists, Christian Scientists or even Mormons. Heresy leads to heresy. Orthodoxy never does.
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