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Mary, Mother of God, The Greatest of all Her Titles
http://www.catholicchristiananswers.com ^ | August 12, 2015 | Jessie Neace

Posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

It is that time of week again, where we talk about the Mary, the Mother of God. This is definitely the single most important title that Mary has. If someone gets this wrong, then they get the Divinity of our Lord wrong, and that means the whole plan of Salvation is just messed up. So let us look at this most important title.

Theotokos, God-bearer in Greek, is what the council of Ephesus declared in 431. It specifically says this “If anyone does not confess that God is truly Emmanuel, and that on this account the Holy Virgin is the Mother of God (for according to the flesh she gave birth to the Word of God become flesh by birth), let him be anathema.” Now just that statement alone proves the early Church believed that there was Authority given to the bishops to decide sound doctrine, Mary was a Holy Virgin her entire life, and that She bore God. However, we only have time for one today.

Now many times we will hear non-Catholics tell us that this title is nowhere found in Scripture, explicitly at least. However, they cannot themselves find a Scripture verse that says that all doctrine and dogma must be explicitly proven in Scripture. I bet they can never find that. This is a trap they set up for themselves and it is a very unfair double standard that they expect us to meet, but they do not have to. However, on top of this double standard is if we used that same standard, then the doctrine of the Trinity is thrown out, since it’s not an explicit teaching, but instead is implicit in Scripture. This double standard seems to cause more problems that it’s worth wouldn’t you say?

Here is the cold hard truth of it though, all Christians rely on some Church Tradition, as well as Scripture, to validate their doctrines, whether they admit it or not. With that being said, Scripture and Tradition can never contradict one another. The Traditions of men can contradict the Word of God, but the Traditions God left us, through Christ, in the Holy Spirit, are binding upon us, as we are to hold fast to Traditions. So then, what is the real question? The real question is, Does Scripture contradict the teaching that Mary is the Mother of God, and is that doctrine found in Scripture at least implicitly?

Let us begin with Luke 1:43, where Mary visited Elizabeth. There Elizabeth exclaimed “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?” Because Mary was the Mother of the Lord, who is the Second part of the Holy Trinity, Mary is truly and rightfully called the Mother of God.

We also see in Isaiah 7:14 “Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which is interpreted God with us.” Jesus is God. He was God when He was in the womb, conceived, lived, died, buried, resurrected, in the Eucharist, and in Heaven. The Messiah, who is God, was to be born of a virgin, according to Scripture. God was born of a virgin, and it’s right there in Isaiah, who prophesied of Christ birth. That means both Old and New Testament support the Catholic Doctrine of the Mother of God.

However, this may not be enough for some non-Catholics. Some say that Elisabeth called Christ Lord, and not God, saying that Mary was only to give birth to the human child, the Lord Jesus Christ. So then the question becomes, does lord here mean divinity or just authority? Let’s look at the context.

First let us look at 1 Cor. 8:5, which states “Indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet to us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.” St. Paul makes it clear that Jesus is the one True, Lord, as opposed to all the false ones, that the pagans who converted in Corinth were probably worshiping. So then, they would understand that Jesus is God. This holds true to the Jews who converted too, who would know Deut. 6:4 “Hear, therefore, o Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord.”

So then that brings us back to Luke 1:43. Elizabeth calls Mary the mother of her Lord. The Mother…Mothers give birth to persons, not natures, let us remember that. Mary did not just give birth to the human nature of Christ, she gave birth to the person of Christ. Christ personhood is Divine, it is God the Son.

Then let us look at 2 Sam. 6:9 where the King, who was David says “How can the ark of the Lord come to me (being the ark of the covenant)” Then in 2 Samuel 616 we see King David leaping in the presence of the Ark, just as John the Baptist did. Then we yet again see another parallel, which says that the ark of the Lord abode in the house of Obededom the Gethite for three months (2 Sam. 6:11), and according to Luke 1:56 Mary remained in the house of Elizabeth about three months. Then, we see that the ark of the covenant carried three items, manna, the Ten Commandments, and Aaron’s rod. These are all types of things Christ are, the Bread of Life, Word made Flesh, and our true High Priest.

Even knowing all this though, there are still those who would deny that Mary is the Mother of God. So then we have to ask, who is Jesus Christ to them? If Mary is not the Mother of God, then who did she give birth to? Many would say it was an earthly human lord, not God. So then, what does that make Christ? If Mary did not give birth to God, then who did she give birth to? Was not Christ God when He was conceived?

If someone says Mary only gave birth to the person of Christ one of two errors, or both could happen, and that is the Denial of the divinity of Christ, and that one would have to say Christ is two distinct persons, and that he is not One. Both were considered heresy in the Early Church. Christ is one Person, with two natures, Divine and Human, which go together and are not separate of one another. If one denies that, the ultimately they are speaking about a different Christ, and St. Paul warns us about that problem, and to not to give heed to them (2 Cor. 11:4).

So then, some say that Mary is the mother of the Trinity if we take it that far, however, this is not true. Mary gave birth to the 2nd part of the Trinity, the 2nd Person, who is still God just not the Trinity. However, we must never forget that each Person in the Trinity shares the same Divine Nature and is fully God.

One thing some still point out is that Christ is eternal, so for Mary to be the Mother of God she would have to be God. However the Church does not say Mary is the source of the Divine Nature of the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity. To better understand this let’s look at humanity. Parents give birth to a person, however they are not the author of life, and certainly did not give the child it’s soul. Thus is true with Mary, she did not give Christ His Divine Nature, though she was the Mother of more than just the human form of Christ, because she gave birth to a person, who was God.


TOPICS: Apologetics; History; Theology; Worship
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Hail Mary, Full of Grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of death. Amen.
1 posted on 08/17/2015 6:07:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
Well, does this offend you? What if there were a God, Who sent His only Son, to save the world from its evils?

And what if He chose to specially preserve her from sin, specially exalt her, "our tainted nature's solitary boast" (William Wordsworth).

Would you dispute with Him?

2 posted on 08/17/2015 6:15:56 PM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: NKP_Vet

It is the “Greatest Title of Mary that God Never Gave Her.”

Why make up stuff and pretend it’s true?

What God said is what He meant. No need to make her into more than God Himself did.

Best.


3 posted on 08/17/2015 6:18:30 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "Forward lies the crown, and onward is the goal.")
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To: NKP_Vet

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4 posted on 08/17/2015 6:20:12 PM PDT by doc1019 (Out of my mind ... back in 5)
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To: NKP_Vet
Is Mary really the mother of God?
5 posted on 08/17/2015 6:20:20 PM PDT by Old Yeller (B. Hussein Obama is leading this country like a lamb to its slaughter.)
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To: NKP_Vet

Idol worship.

Mary is not the mother of God she was the mother of Jesus. She was a sinner that needed a Savior.


6 posted on 08/17/2015 6:22:12 PM PDT by Romans Nine
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To: Romans Nine
>> Mary is not the mother of God she was the mother of Jesus. <<

Funny, last time I checked, Jesus IS God. This is basic theological belief in Christianity. If you dispute that Jesus is God incarnate, you might want to find another religion. Christianity has always acknowledged that Jesus is God.

7 posted on 08/17/2015 6:27:55 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: Romans Nine
Mary is not the mother of God she was the mother of Jesus.

Jesus is God.

8 posted on 08/17/2015 6:28:20 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Couples? Same-sex COUPLES?! Don't be such a narrow-minded hate-filled clusterphobe.)
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To: NKP_Vet
[Mother of God] is definitely the single most important title that Mary has. If someone gets this wrong, then they get the Divinity of our Lord wrong, and that means the whole plan of Salvation is just messed up.

What poppycock! The title of Theotokos is important because of what it says about Jesus, not because of what it says about Mary.

"Mother of God" is a horrible translation because it flips the important point. The point of "Theotokos" is that it states that Jesus was God incarnate from the moment on conception.

"Mother of God" is a horrible translation because it becomes an honorific for Mary, rather than a statement of belief about Jesus.

God-bearer, Jesus comes first. Mother-of-God, Mary comes first. See the difference?

9 posted on 08/17/2015 6:30:23 PM PDT by Tao Yin
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To: BillyBoy

Jesus is Emanuel.

Stating that Mary is the mother of God is blasphemy.

The mysterys of the Triiune Godhead are many but to call Mary the mother of God is a grave error.


10 posted on 08/17/2015 6:33:13 PM PDT by Romans Nine
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To: Romans Nine

Mary was conceived without original sin. Nor did She commit any sins during Her earthly life.


11 posted on 08/17/2015 6:34:04 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BillyBoy

Mary was the mother of the human form. The Logos became flesh through her, nothing more. She was the means of Him coming to dwell amongst us. If Mary is the mother of G-d then she, by definition, is higher than G-d.


12 posted on 08/17/2015 6:34:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Romans Nine
She was a sinner that needed a Savior.

Mary

A Jewish native of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus Christ

Dates Lived:Approximately 20 BC- AD 50

Mary grew up in northern Israel, in the province of Galilee, although her family originally came from Judea, the Roman province in the south based on the old Israelite Kingdom of Judah. Living in the little town of Nazareth, Mary was engaged to be married to Joseph son of Jacob, a man who was descended from King David. Before they were married, an angel of God appeared to Mary and announced that she was chosen to give birth to the Messiah, the Son of God, and Savior of sinners. Mary accepted God's will, and the Holy Spirit came upon her and conceived the child. Later, Joseph married her, despite his shock over the pregnancy, because an angel assured him this was from God. When Mary was very pregnant, they were forced by a Roman census to travel 70 miles south to the town of Bethlehem, the town of David, because Joseph was from the family line of David. While there, Mary gave birth to Jesus, the Son of God. Angels told the good news to several shepherds on the hillsides nearby, who hurried down to town to see the child and worship him.

Then forty days later, when Joseph and Mary were presenting the baby in the temple, the elderly man Simeon foretold that Jesus would provide God's salvation, as a light to the Gentiles (non- Jews) and glory to the Jews. Simeon also told Mary that Jesus would be opposed when he grew up, and a sword would pierce Mary's soul also. This eventually came true when Mary was a spectator at her own son's crucifixion, where she would experience terrible anguish at seeing the suffering of Jesus. Mary was also present with the disciples when the word came back that the tomb of Jesus was empty! The risen Jesus appeared to the disciples in Jerusalem, including Mary. The apostle John cared for Mary for her remaining years.

(Source: Olive Tree People of the Bible) .

Mary

Hebrew Miriam. (1.) The wife of Joseph, the mother of Jesus, called the "Virgin Mary," though never so designated in Scripture (Matt. 2:11; Acts 1:14). Little is known of her personal history. Her genealogy is given in Luke 3. She was of the tribe of Judah and the lineage of David (Ps. 132:11; Luke 1:32). She was connected by marriage with Elisabeth, who was of the lineage of Aaron (Luke 1:36).

While she resided at Nazareth with her parents, before she became the wife of Joseph, the angel Gabriel announced to her that she was to be the mother of the promised Messiah (Luke 1:35). After this she went to visit her cousin Elisabeth, who was living with her husband Zacharias (probably at Juttah, Josh. 15:55; 21:16, in the neighbourhood of Maon), at a considerable distance, about 100 miles, from Nazareth. Immediately on entering the house she was saluted by Elisabeth as the mother of her Lord, and then forthwith gave utterance to her hymn of thanksgiving (Luke 1:46- 56; comp. 1 Sam. 2:1- 10). After three months Mary returned to Nazareth to her own home. Joseph was supernaturally made aware (Matt. 1:18- 25) of her condition, and took her to his own home. Soon after this the decree of Augustus (Luke 2:1) required that they should proceed to Bethlehem (Micah 5:2), some 80 or 90 miles from Nazareth; and while they were there they found shelter in the inn or khan provided for strangers (Luke 2:6, 7). But as the inn was crowded, Mary had to retire to a place among the cattle, and there she brought forth her son, who was called Jesus (Matt. 1:21), because he was to save his people from their sins. This was followed by the presentation in the temple, the flight into Egypt, and their return in the following year and residence at Nazareth (Matt. 2). There for thirty years Mary, the wife of Joseph the carpenter, resides, filling her own humble sphere, and pondering over the strange things that had happened to her. During these years only one event in the history of Jesus is recorded, viz., his going up to Jerusalem when twelve years of age, and his being found among the doctors in the temple (Luke 2:41- 52). Probably also during this period Joseph died, for he is not again mentioned.

After the commencement of our Lord's public ministry little notice is taken of Mary. She was present at the marriage in Cana. A year and a half after this we find her at Capernaum (Matt. 12:46, 48, 49), where Christ uttered the memorable words, "Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!" The next time we find her is at the cross along with her sister Mary, and Mary Magdalene, and Salome, and other women (John 19:26). From that hour John took her to his own abode. She was with the little company in the upper room after the Ascension (Acts 1:14). From this time she wholly disappears from public notice. The time and manner of her death are unknown.

(Source: Easton Dictionary of the Bible)

13 posted on 08/17/2015 6:37:24 PM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: BillyBoy
If you dispute that Jesus is God incarnate

We are disputing the title of Mary not Jesus' divinity. Your simple arithmetic to a complex question does not apply here. Neither God nor Jesus are simple. God is eternal and has no mother. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned and the Catholics are lacking in this particular area in which they do not belong. God does not assign her that title so neither should we.

14 posted on 08/17/2015 6:38:27 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Hillary is as believable as Sharknado 3. Oh Hell No!)
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To: ebb tide
Mary was conceived without original sin. Nor did She commit any sins during Her earthly life.

What Bible did you quote here? Chapter and verse, please.

15 posted on 08/17/2015 6:39:57 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Hillary is as believable as Sharknado 3. Oh Hell No!)
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To: ebb tide
Mary was conceived without original sin. Nor did She commit any sins during Her earthly life.

Read Romans 3:10. As it is written, there is none righteous. No not one.


16 posted on 08/17/2015 6:41:47 PM PDT by Old Yeller (B. Hussein Obama is leading this country like a lamb to its slaughter.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
What God said is what He meant.

And what God said is:

[26] When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. [27] After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own. John; Chapter 19

But then again, some people like to cherry pick the Bible.

17 posted on 08/17/2015 6:43:37 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: SkyDancer
If Mary is the mother of G-d then she, by definition, is higher than G-d.

And He would not be self-existent, which He is. To give God false attributes, is to create a false idol.
18 posted on 08/17/2015 6:43:46 PM PDT by Old Yeller (B. Hussein Obama is leading this country like a lamb to its slaughter.)
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To: BipolarBob

See post 17. It’s useless discussing issues with those who cherry-pick the Bible.


19 posted on 08/17/2015 6:44:58 PM PDT by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: BipolarBob
>> We are disputing the title of Mary not Jesus' divinity. <<

Christianity theology teaches that Jesus was God incarnate from the beginning, not after birth.

If you argue that Mary simply gave birth to "Jesus", the human being, and not "God", then you are disputing the Christian doctrine that Jesus has ALWAYS been God from the moment he was in her womb. Arguing that Jesus was born "only" a mortal man and later "became" God AFTER birth is a heresy called Adoptionism that was debunked in early Christianity, and those who took such a position were excommunicated from Christianity.

If you accept the traditional Christian belief that Jesus was ALWAYS God, including BEFORE birth, the fact Mary gave birth to God shouldn't bother you.

20 posted on 08/17/2015 6:46:32 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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