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The Crafting of the 4th Century Roman Church, Doctrine, and Papacy
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| February 26, 2013
| John Bugay
Posted on 05/06/2015 3:22:31 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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05/06/2015 3:22:31 PM PDT
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RnMomof7
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:23:13 PM PDT
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RnMomof7
To: RnMomof7
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:24:21 PM PDT
by
MamaB
To: RnMomof7
You should just write down in a few sentences what you really want to say instead of posting these really long treatises :) We Catholics can take it :)
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:24:57 PM PDT
by
dp0622
To: RnMomof7
It’s astounding that intelligent people don’t see the fallacy of the so called line of successors.
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:27:48 PM PDT
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CynicalBear
(For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
To: dp0622
Taking no position on the article, was that humor to ask her to reduce long treatises to a few sentences? It had to be, every Catholic posting I see is unbelievably long, and reads like a motion in an investment banking securities fraud trial.
You kill me.
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05/06/2015 3:39:26 PM PDT
by
DesertRhino
(I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:41:21 PM PDT
by
NYer
("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
To: RnMomof7
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05/06/2015 3:43:24 PM PDT
by
goodwithagun
(My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
To: All
The List of Popes
- St. Peter (32-67)
- St. Linus (67-76)
- St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
- St. Clement I (88-97)
- St. Evaristus (97-105)
- St. Alexander I (105-115)
- St. Sixtus I (115-125) Also called Xystus I
- St. Telesphorus (125-136)
- St. Hyginus (136-140)
- St. Pius I (140-155)
- St. Anicetus (155-166)
- St. Soter (166-175)
- St. Eleutherius (175-189)
- St. Victor I (189-199)
- St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
- St. Callistus I (217-22) Callistus and the following three popes were opposed by St. Hippolytus, antipope (217-236)
- St. Urban I (222-30)
- St. Pontain (230-35)
- St. Anterus (235-36)
- St. Fabian (236-50)
- St. Cornelius (251-53) Opposed by Novatian, antipope (251)
- St. Lucius I (253-54)
- St. Stephen I (254-257)
- St. Sixtus II (257-258)
- St. Dionysius (260-268)
- St. Felix I (269-274)
- St. Eutychian (275-283)
- St. Caius (283-296) Also called Gaius
- St. Marcellinus (296-304)
- St. Marcellus I (308-309)
- St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
- St. Miltiades (311-14)
- St. Sylvester I (314-35)
- St. Marcus (336)
- St. Julius I (337-52)
- Liberius (352-66) Opposed by Felix II, antipope (355-365)
- St. Damasus I (366-84) Opposed by Ursicinus, antipope (366-367)
- St. Siricius (384-99)
- St. Anastasius I (399-401)
- St. Innocent I (401-17)
- St. Zosimus (417-18)
- St. Boniface I (418-22) Opposed by Eulalius, antipope (418-419)
- St. Celestine I (422-32)
- St. Sixtus III (432-40)
- St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
- St. Hilarius (461-68)
- St. Simplicius (468-83)
- St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
- St. Gelasius I (492-96)
- Anastasius II (496-98)
- St. Symmachus (498-514) Opposed by Laurentius, antipope (498-501)
- St. Hormisdas (514-23)
- St. John I (523-26)
- St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
- Boniface II (530-32) Opposed by Dioscorus, antipope (530)
- John II (533-35)
- St. Agapetus I (535-36) Also called Agapitus I
- St. Silverius (536-37)
- Vigilius (537-55)
- Pelagius I (556-61)
- John III (561-74)
- Benedict I (575-79)
- Pelagius II (579-90)
- St. Gregory I (the Great) (590-604)
- Sabinian (604-606)
- Boniface III (607)
- St. Boniface IV (608-15)
- St. Deusdedit (Adeodatus I) (615-18)
- Boniface V (619-25)
- Honorius I (625-38)
- Severinus (640)
- John IV (640-42)
- Theodore I (642-49)
- St. Martin I (649-55)
- St. Eugene I (655-57)
- St. Vitalian (657-72)
- Adeodatus (II) (672-76)
- Donus (676-78)
- St. Agatho (678-81)
- St. Leo II (682-83)
- St. Benedict II (684-85)
- John V (685-86)
- Conon (686-87)
- St. Sergius I (687-701) Opposed by Theodore and Paschal, antipopes (687)
- John VI (701-05)
- John VII (705-07)
- Sisinnius (708)
- Constantine (708-15)
- St. Gregory II (715-31)
- St. Gregory III (731-41)
- St. Zachary (741-52) Stephen II followed Zachary, but because he died before being consecrated, modern lists omit him
- Stephen II (III) (752-57)
- St. Paul I (757-67)
- Stephen III (IV) (767-72) Opposed by Constantine II (767) and Philip (768), antipopes (767)
- Adrian I (772-95)
- St. Leo III (795-816)
- Stephen IV (V) (816-17)
- St. Paschal I (817-24)
- Eugene II (824-27)
- Valentine (827)
- Gregory IV (827-44)
- Sergius II (844-47) Opposed by John, antipope
- St. Leo IV (847-55)
- Benedict III (855-58) Opposed by Anastasius, antipope (855)
- St. Nicholas I (the Great) (858-67)
- Adrian II (867-72)
- John VIII (872-82)
- Marinus I (882-84)
- St. Adrian III (884-85)
- Stephen V (VI) (885-91)
- Formosus (891-96)
- Boniface VI (896)
- Stephen VI (VII) (896-97)
- Romanus (897)
- Theodore II (897)
- John IX (898-900)
- Benedict IV (900-03)
- Leo V (903) Opposed by Christopher, antipope (903-904)
- Sergius III (904-11)
- Anastasius III (911-13)
- Lando (913-14)
- John X (914-28)
- Leo VI (928)
- Stephen VIII (929-31)
- John XI (931-35)
- Leo VII (936-39)
- Stephen IX (939-42)
- Marinus II (942-46)
- Agapetus II (946-55)
- John XII (955-63)
- Leo VIII (963-64)
- Benedict V (964)
- John XIII (965-72)
- Benedict VI (973-74)
- Benedict VII (974-83) Benedict and John XIV were opposed by Boniface VII, antipope (974; 984-985)
- John XIV (983-84)
- John XV (985-96)
- Gregory V (996-99) Opposed by John XVI, antipope (997-998)
- Sylvester II (999-1003)
- John XVII (1003)
- John XVIII (1003-09)
- Sergius IV (1009-12)
- Benedict VIII (1012-24) Opposed by Gregory, antipope (1012)
- John XIX (1024-32)
- Benedict IX (1032-45) He appears on this list three separate times, because he was twice deposed and restored
- Sylvester III (1045) Considered by some to be an antipope
- Benedict IX (1045)
- Gregory VI (1045-46)
- Clement II (1046-47)
- Benedict IX (1047-48)
- Damasus II (1048)
- St. Leo IX (1049-54)
- Victor II (1055-57)
- Stephen X (1057-58)
- Nicholas II (1058-61) Opposed by Benedict X, antipope (1058)
- Alexander II (1061-73) Opposed by Honorius II, antipope (1061-1072)
- St. Gregory VII (1073-85) Gregory and the following three popes were opposed by Guibert ("Clement III"), antipope (1080-1100)
- Blessed Victor III (1086-87)
- Blessed Urban II (1088-99)
- Paschal II (1099-1118) Opposed by Theodoric (1100), Aleric (1102) and Maginulf ("Sylvester IV", 1105-1111), antipopes (1100)
- Gelasius II (1118-19) Opposed by Burdin ("Gregory VIII"), antipope (1118)
- Callistus II (1119-24)
- Honorius II (1124-30) Opposed by Celestine II, antipope (1124)
- Innocent II (1130-43) Opposed by Anacletus II (1130-1138) and Gregory Conti ("Victor IV") (1138), antipopes (1138)
- Celestine II (1143-44)
- Lucius II (1144-45)
- Blessed Eugene III (1145-53)
- Anastasius IV (1153-54)
- Adrian IV (1154-59)
- Alexander III (1159-81) Opposed by Octavius ("Victor IV") (1159-1164), Pascal III (1165-1168), Callistus III (1168-1177) and Innocent III (1178-1180), antipopes
- Lucius III (1181-85)
- Urban III (1185-87)
- Gregory VIII (1187)
- Clement III (1187-91)
- Celestine III (1191-98)
- Innocent III (1198-1216)
- Honorius III (1216-27)
- Gregory IX (1227-41)
- Celestine IV (1241)
- Innocent IV (1243-54)
- Alexander IV (1254-61)
- Urban IV (1261-64)
- Clement IV (1265-68)
- Blessed Gregory X (1271-76)
- Blessed Innocent V (1276)
- Adrian V (1276)
- John XXI (1276-77)
- Nicholas III (1277-80)
- Martin IV (1281-85)
- Honorius IV (1285-87)
- Nicholas IV (1288-92)
- St. Celestine V (1294)
- Boniface VIII (1294-1303)
- Blessed Benedict XI (1303-04)
- Clement V (1305-14)
- John XXII (1316-34) Opposed by Nicholas V, antipope (1328-1330)
- Benedict XII (1334-42)
- Clement VI (1342-52)
- Innocent VI (1352-62)
- Blessed Urban V (1362-70)
- Gregory XI (1370-78)
- Urban VI (1378-89) Opposed by Robert of Geneva ("Clement VII"), antipope (1378-1394)
- Boniface IX (1389-1404) Opposed by Robert of Geneva ("Clement VII") (1378-1394), Pedro de Luna ("Benedict XIII") (1394-1417) and Baldassare Cossa ("John XXIII") (1400-1415), antipopes
- Innocent VII (1404-06) Opposed by Pedro de Luna ("Benedict XIII") (1394-1417) and Baldassare Cossa ("John XXIII") (1400-1415), antipopes
- Gregory XII (1406-15) Opposed by Pedro de Luna ("Benedict XIII") (1394-1417), Baldassare Cossa ("John XXIII") (1400-1415), and Pietro Philarghi ("Alexander V") (1409-1410), antipopes
- Martin V (1417-31)
- Eugene IV (1431-47) Opposed by Amadeus of Savoy ("Felix V"), antipope (1439-1449)
- Nicholas V (1447-55)
- Callistus III (1455-58)
- Pius II (1458-64)
- Paul II (1464-71)
- Sixtus IV (1471-84)
- Innocent VIII (1484-92)
- Alexander VI (1492-1503)
- Pius III (1503)
- Julius II (1503-13)
- Leo X (1513-21)
- Adrian VI (1522-23)
- Clement VII (1523-34)
- Paul III (1534-49)
- Julius III (1550-55)
- Marcellus II (1555)
- Paul IV (1555-59)
- Pius IV (1559-65)
- St. Pius V (1566-72)
- Gregory XIII (1572-85)
- Sixtus V (1585-90)
- Urban VII (1590)
- Gregory XIV (1590-91)
- Innocent IX (1591)
- Clement VIII (1592-1605)
- Leo XI (1605)
- Paul V (1605-21)
- Gregory XV (1621-23)
- Urban VIII (1623-44)
- Innocent X (1644-55)
- Alexander VII (1655-67)
- Clement IX (1667-69)
- Clement X (1670-76)
- Blessed Innocent XI (1676-89)
- Alexander VIII (1689-91)
- Innocent XII (1691-1700)
- Clement XI (1700-21)
- Innocent XIII (1721-24)
- Benedict XIII (1724-30)
- Clement XII (1730-40)
- Benedict XIV (1740-58)
- Clement XIII (1758-69)
- Clement XIV (1769-74)
- Pius VI (1775-99)
- Pius VII (1800-23)
- Leo XII (1823-29)
- Pius VIII (1829-30)
- Gregory XVI (1831-46)
- Blessed Pius IX (1846-78)
- Leo XIII (1878-1903)
- St. Pius X (1903-14)
- Benedict XV (1914-22) Biographies of Benedict XV and his successors will be added at a later date
- Pius XI (1922-39)
- Pius XII (1939-58)
- St. John XXIII (1958-63)
- Paul VI (1963-78)
- John Paul I (1978)
- St. John Paul II (1978-2005)
- Benedict XVI (2005-2013)
- Francis (2013—)
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:51:33 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: RnMomof7
I think you guys can settle these disagreements once and for all. How about a donate to FreeRepublic campaign for next month. Everyone send in a donation to Free Republic in the name of your faith.
Whichever group sends in the most will be declared the true faith and everyone else will have to admit they are heretics.
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:54:10 PM PDT
by
MNDude
To: MNDude
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:55:12 PM PDT
by
goodwithagun
(My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
To: CynicalBear; RnMomof7; Tax-chick; GregB; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; ..
Its astounding that intelligent people dont see the fallacy of the so called line of successors.
The seven great letters of St. Ignatius of Antioch, written around the year 106 while on his way to Rome to be thrown to the beasts, take for granted the existence of local hierarchical churches, ruled by bishops who are assisted by priests and deacons. Ignatius, a living disciple of John the Apostle, writes that "Jesus Christ...is the will of the Father, just as the bishops, who have been appointed throughout the world, are the will of Jesus Christ. Let us be careful, then, if we would be submissive to God, not to oppose the bishop."
EPISTLES of St. Ignatius of Antioch
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posted on
05/06/2015 3:59:22 PM PDT
by
NYer
("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
To: NYer; CynicalBear; RnMomof7
...Ignatius, a living disciple of John the Apostle, writes that "Jesus Christ...is the will of the Father, just as the bishops, who have been appointed throughout the world, are the will of Jesus Christ. Let us be careful, then, if we would be submissive to God, not to oppose the bishop."So, your assertion is that Roman Catholicism can make a claim which cannot be found within Scripture, and your group accepts it with our question (as long as it supports the ridiculous proscriptions therein!)?
Where did Jesus make bishops? Scripture reference, please...
Its astounding that intelligent people dont see the fallacy of the so called line of successors.
You give more credit than deserved! Indoctrinated peoples do not question the "authority", and within that cult, they risk excommunication. To me, that would be a good thing that may cause them to actually seek God's Word, with the guidance of His Holy Spirit (as He promised).
There is no Papal succession. There is only a long line of pretenders to God's Throne!
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posted on
05/06/2015 4:22:40 PM PDT
by
WVKayaker
(Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
To: DesertRhino; dp0622; Salvation; RnMomof7
instead of posting these really long treatises :) ....
It had to be, every Catholic posting I see is unbelievably long, and reads like a motion in an investment banking securities fraud trial.
Or, like some people pinged here, they post long Roman Catholic propaganda under the guise of liturgy and make repeated replies to their own thread, without ceasing. I guess some people may think it will earn them a shorter time in purgatory and some have admitted that it is done to earn a reward (RCCult indulgences are still around!).
Of course there is no purgatory, and there is nothing to do to earn anything in God's economy! Free, Free, Free... Grace, unmerited Grace!
Smells and bells are remnants of pagan worship. Repetitious prayer was specifically faulted by Jesus. God is a Spirit, and the prayers of the saints (all Christians, not a select few) are God's sweet savor!
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posted on
05/06/2015 4:31:53 PM PDT
by
WVKayaker
(Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
To: MNDude
I think you guys can settle these disagreements once and for all. How about a donate to FreeRepublic campaign for next month. Everyone send in a donation to Free Republic in the name of your faith.
Whichever group sends in the most will be declared the true faith and everyone else will have to admit they are heretics."A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things."
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posted on
05/06/2015 4:52:09 PM PDT
by
Lonely Bull
("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
To: CynicalBear; RnMomof7
Its astounding that intelligent people dont see the fallacy of the so called line of successors.I think it falls apart right at the beginning. The Apostles were missionaries they weren't Bishops. The Apostles founded churches it was the local members of these churches that determined the elders of their churches. The Apostles did not take up permanent residence in a church. It wasn't until the 2nd century, after the Apostolic Era ended, that a centralized structure began to emerge.
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posted on
05/06/2015 5:08:25 PM PDT
by
wmfights
(a stranger in a hostile and foreign land that used to be my home)
To: Salvation
**St. Hilarius (461-68)**
LOL
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posted on
05/06/2015 6:03:09 PM PDT
by
Zuriel
(Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
To: RnMomof7
Half truths and innuendos trying to pass as history. Praying for your mind to be opened and your heart to be softened.
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posted on
05/06/2015 6:28:52 PM PDT
by
verga
(I might as well be playing chess with pigeons,.)
To: NYer
The seven great letters of St. Ignatius of Antioch, written around the year 106 while on his way to Rome to be thrown to the beasts, take for granted the existence of local hierarchical churches, ruled by bishops who are assisted by priests and deacons. Ignatius, a living disciple of John the Apostle, writes that "Jesus Christ...is the will of the Father, just as the bishops, who have been appointed throughout the world, are the will of Jesus Christ. Let us be careful, then, if we would be submissive to God, not to oppose the bishop."
All scholars reject 8 of Ignatius' alleged writings as forgeries and say the 7 remaining letters are genuine and were written in 110AD.
Some scholars reject them all as forgeries that were written about 250AD
We take the firm view that all 15 Ignatian letters are forgeries. All of the letters that claim to be written by Ignatius are fakes.
Almost nothing is known about the real Ignatius. See Schaff's comments below.
The Fifteen Forged Letters of Ignatius
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posted on
05/06/2015 6:33:05 PM PDT
by
Iscool
To: WVKayaker
Or, like some people pinged here, they post long Roman Catholic propaganda under the guise of liturgy and make repeated replies to their own thread, without ceasing.God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as that poster. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
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posted on
05/06/2015 7:35:03 PM PDT
by
Lonely Bull
("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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