Is Sola Scriptura in the Bible?

Do you honestly believe that God would omit anything needful to us out of his inspired book? Do you really have such a low estimation of His ability to successfully record everything for His kids?

Paul was an Apostle, called by God, to reveal the Mystery of the Body of Christ. He did not give them man-made traditions. He taught them exactly what God instructed, and recorded everything Believers need to know. In this case in particular, he is writing to correct religious error that was undermining God's Truth - that the Day of the Lord was at hand.

The chapter starts with a warning - let no one deceive or trouble you. Paul then shares with them the sequence of events leading up to the return of Christ, contrasting those who are damned for not believing the Truth, with the Believers who are sanctified by the Truth. What is Truth? God's Word is Truth.

2 Thessalonians 2:14-15 (KJV)

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

How were the "traditions" taught by Paul - by word (logos) or our epistle. The Greek word paradosis means tradition or instruction. For it to mean what Rome desires, that would mean that there was teaching that Paul, or even worse, the Holy Spirit, left unwritten for the Body of Christ. Do you really believe this the case? I don't because, All scripture is given by inspiration of God... That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Timothy 3:16-17) How can a Believer be perfect or complete, and equipped for every good work if the Holy Spirit neglects something vital to our spiritual growth?

Mark 7:3-9 (KJV) - 3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders. 4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables. 5 Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands? 6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

See also - Matthew 12:1-8, 15:1-20, 23:1-23, Luke 6:1-11

There is a contrast in traditions that come from God, and from men. And it appears this is most common within religious circles.

Colossians 2:6-12 (KJV) - 6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Spiritually reborn, you are complete in Christ. You have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you to guide and comfort you, and God's Truth to teach you and increase your faith. What could any man-made tradition do for you?

1 Peter 1:18-25 (AMP) - 18 You must know (recognize) that you were redeemed (ransomed) from the useless (fruitless) way of living inherited by tradition from [your] forefathers, not with corruptible things [such as] silver and gold, 19 But [you were purchased] with the precious blood of Christ (the Messiah), like that of a [sacrificial] lamb without blemish or spot. 20 It is true that He was chosen and foreordained (destined and foreknown for it) before the foundation of the world, but He was brought out to public view (made manifest) in these last days (at the end of the times) for the sake of you. 21 Through Him you believe in (adhere to, rely on) God, Who raised Him up from the dead and gave Him honor and glory, so that your faith and hope are [centered and rest] in God. 22 Since by your obedience to the Truth through the [Holy ] Spirit you have purified your hearts for the sincere affection of the brethren, [see that you] love one another fervently from a pure heart. 23 You have been regenerated (born again), not from a mortal origin (seed, sperm), but from one that is immortal by the ever living and lasting Word of God. 24 For all flesh (mankind) is like grass, and all its glory (honor) like [the] flower of grass. The grass withers and the flower drops off, 25 But the Word of the Lord (divine instruction, the Gospel) endures forever. And this Word is the good news which was preached to you.

If the Word of God is incorruptible seed, what is the word of man? What are his traditions, ceremonies, and rituals?

Matthew 15:6-9 (AMP) - 6 So for the sake of your tradition (the rules handed down by your forefathers), you have set aside the Word of God [depriving it of force and authority and making it of no effect]. 7 You pretenders (hypocrites)! Admirably and truly did Isaiah prophesy of you when he said: 8 These people draw near Me with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but their hearts hold off and are far away from Me. 9 Uselessly do they worship Me, for they teach as doctrines the commands of men.

What did Paul teach the Thessalonian church? The revelation of Jesus coming for His Body might be too much for spiritual babes. However, the Believers at Thessalonica were a model church. They had given up idols, turned to the Living God, and were waiting for the return of Jesus. They believed the Word and became imitators of the Lord, spreading their faith throughout Achaia (Greece) and Macedonia. (1 Thessalonians 1:3-10) They received Paul’s teaching as the Word of God, and put it into practice even in the face of persecution. (1 Thessalonians 2:7-16) They stayed true to the Word, growing in love, even after Paul’s departure. (1 Thessalonians 4:9-12) They were primed and uniquely prepared to receive even more revelation on God’s plan for His Church. Paul's second letter was correcting religious error that was undermining their faith in what he had already taught. They were not instructed in any secret handshakes or mystic rituals. They received the Truth from God through Paul, and the Holy Spirit confirmed it with their spirit. Nothing was omitted that is needful to the Believer.

In one of Paul's last letters he spells out what is important, and the danger when people neglect the Word and turn to religion. God's Truth sets people free. Religion puts them in bondage.

2 Timothy 4:1-4 (AMP)

1 I CHARGE [you] in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, Who is to judge the living and the dead, and by (in the light of) His coming and His kingdom:

2 Herald and preach the Word! Keep your sense of urgency [stand by, be at hand and ready], whether the opportunity seems to be favorable or unfavorable. [Whether it is convenient or inconvenient, whether it is welcome or unwelcome, you as preacher of the Word are to show people in what way their lives are wrong.] And convince them, rebuking and correcting, warning and urging and encouraging them, being unflagging and inexhaustible in patience and teaching.

3 For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold,

4 And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.

In order to avoid wandering after man-made doctrines, God gave us His Word, and the Holy Spirit to guide Believers and confirm His truth.

41 posted on 02/10/2015 11:56:24 AM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")

It’s not changing the subject - the subject is how to understand God’s will and achieve salvation through through accepting Christ.

I never saw a catholic church growing up - yet I believed in Christ and read my bible - does that preclude my being saved? I have met people throughout the world that have never had a catholic or king james bible - does that preclude they can be saved?

In other words - is ignorance of the Bible or tradition or any combination or of specific pieces of either (ignorance being a lack of knowledge) - sufficient to doom someone to eternal hell?

If you think everyone has an opportunity to be exposed to the Word during their life in the forms that your used to - I’m afraid your mistaken.

But I kinda think my God is bigger and more powerful than anything I can hope to comprehend and that he’s got that figured out.

Adam died - did he go to Heaven? Why because there wasn’t a Bible or a church? Because there wasn’t a priest to confess to? Because he didn’t have a Hebronic (sp?) covenant?

How about Moses? How about the Japanese in the 1600s - that translation needed some work let me tell ya. All of em or just the ones that didn’t step on the picture of Christ?

This miniscule back and forth over a particular tradition or wording of a verse or whatever - all of which have been touched by the polluted hand of man misses a lot. I believe a man raised by God to life and never exposed to Christianity can be saved - because God communes with us if we listen and have faith.

I’m aware of the verse saying only through me. Christ is God so therefore when God communes and we listen - it’s through him.

Don’t get me wrong - I read the good book, but this continual sniping between Christian factions irritates me something fierce.

42 posted on 02/10/2015 12:28:42 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)

The orignal comment to which I replied :
"Can a Man or Woman raised without contact with any church or a bible be saved?"

Now the comment :
"It's not changing the subject . . ."

So the heresy of Sola Yourselfa traveling under the fiction of "Sola Scriptura" as the article calls it has now become, No Scriptura, but somehow that isn't a change from the question of whether or not the lie of Sola Scriptura is in Scripture??

have a lovely day

43 posted on 02/10/2015 12:56:26 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

Here,

I'm not making the claim that anything needful was omitted, it wasn't omitted. It's been passed down for 2000 years exactly the same as it was when the Apostles taught it and written down in many forms. In fact, Catholics keep the entire Bible as being "needful". Protestant and Protestant who don't want called Protestant folks, on the other hand, throw a large portion of the Old Testament in the garbage can and in doing so blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

The claim that everything "needful" is in the anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisee Approved, Luther Subset of Scripture is the issue and it is not I who makes that claim. The Self and Self Alone crowd do claim that Solo Scriptura is foundational and there is no need for anything but the subset of Scripture they claim to accept.

As a result of their applying that doctrine, they've changed what they teach as the truth every time the society they're in pressures them to go along to get along or they feel left out as the society they're in changes what it does or doesn't accept.

And the garbage, "do you have such a low estimation" trash may be funny for the Sola Yourself peanut gallery but it's a crystal clear indication that the person using that sort of little ploy knows exactly how nearly, if not totally, indefensible their position is without diversions and word games.

Someone who throws out part of the Bible and then implies that those who don't do the same think something is missing from His Word is either just a stupid trained seal with a ball on their nose, or under a strong delusion that's leading them to their own destruction.

have a nice day

44 posted on 02/10/2015 1:56:04 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

Its a cute cartoon. At least Believers study the Bible, letting God’s Truth set them free from religious bondage. There is nothing more wonderful than the Liberty that comes in Christ.

When you finish beating up all those straw men, you might consider prayerfully reading the verses I posted. I find your reaction quite odd, since 85% of what I posted consisted of direct Bible quotes, and commentary based on Bible verses.

1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (AMP)
12 Now we have not received the spirit [that belongs to] the world, but the [Holy] Spirit Who is from God, [given to us] that we might realize and comprehend and appreciate the gifts [of divine favor and blessing so freely and lavishly] bestowed on us by God.
13 And we are setting these truths forth in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the [Holy] Spirit, combining and interpreting spiritual truths with spiritual language [to those who possess the Holy Spirit].
14 But the natural, nonspiritual man does not accept or welcome or admit into his heart the gifts and teachings and revelations of the Spirit of God, for they are folly (meaningless nonsense) to him; and he is incapable of knowing them [of progressively recognizing, understanding, and becoming better acquainted with them] because they are spiritually discerned and estimated and appreciated.
15 But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns all things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get an insight into him].
16 For who has known or understood the mind (the counsels and purposes) of the Lord so as to guide and instruct Him and give Him knowledge? But we have the mind of Christ (the Messiah) and do hold the thoughts (feelings and purposes) of His heart.

45 posted on 02/10/2015 5:03:05 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")

Oh, goodie, "Christian Liberty", one of my favorites from the same "spiritual folks" who throw out whole books of the Bible. So putting some high percentage of the portions of Scripture not thrown in the garbage can into a comment proves what? It sure doesn't prove that the portion thrown out wasn't equally as inspired by God Himself as the portion someone retains, not by a long shot.

That's not any different than the Watchtower crowd making a new translation of the New Testament to support their claim that Jesus Christ is a god, not the God, the SDA crowd putting their prophetess on par with the Prophets in the Old Testament Bible books, or the Mormons adding an entire second Bible to quote.

Whoopie do, someone quotes from the subset of Scripture they didn't already throw in the garbage can, wow, what a sign of solid faith in the Holy Spirit. The same Holy Spirit that obviously cannot and did not protect His Holy Word from the inclusion of error otherwise there wouldn't be any reason to throw out a large piece of the Old Testament.

Scripture says to not add to or take away from His Word but the superior intellect granted to the Christian Liberty folks, people of the book that they are, grants them the right to throw out Scripture they don't like the same way the superior intellect of Muzzie Mullaas grants them the right to dictate that what their Profit said later in his life replaces what their Profit said earlier in his life, right?

So, is it that someone receives the Spirit and Liberty first which then shows them to throw out the same portions of the Old Testament the other liberated folks also throw out, or is it that the Spirit convinces such folks that a fictional council of anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees were the people Jesus Christ wanted to have establish the canon of Scripture and only after swallowing that absurdity does the individual get the Liberty to ignore Scripture whenever they see fit?

Are only those who are "mature" in their Christian Liberty confident enough to tell the bold faced lie that they believe in and study Scripture when in reality they don't even accept all of the Scripture the Holy Spirit has passed down to us, or is the ability to tell that lie with a straight face an early test of whether someone really has achieved the Nirvana of Christian Liberty?

Here's some Scripture for ya', that uses the same Aramaic the book of Corinthians (the book you quoted from) for the name Christ Himself gave the Apostle Peter rather than playing word games with Peters' new name.

(16) Simon Peter answered and said: "Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God". (17) And Jesus answering, said to him : "Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona : because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. (18) And I say to thee: That thou art Cephas; and upon this Cephas I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
- Matthew 16 verses 16 thru 18

Christ Himself gave the name Chephas (Rock) (Matt 16:17 above) to Simon Bar-Jona who the Father chose to head His Church until Christ returns exactly the same way others chosen to lead His people were given a new name. That makes the above verses crystal clear to anyone who is open to the Holy Spirit rather than only to their own Most High and Holy Self.

People who want to claim Christian Liberty frees them to blaspheme the Holy Spirit by throwing part of His Word into the garbage can, murder their children in the womb with contraceptives, and pretend that their doctrine of Solo Scriptura is something other than the same Self and Self Alone "liberty" ego trap Eve fell into in the Garden of Eden are free to do so, of course.

Sirach 15:18  Before man is life and death, good and evil, that which he shall choose shall be given him :
Sirach 15:19  For the wisdom of God is great, and He is strong in power, seeing all men without ceasing. 
Sirach 15:20  The eyes of the Lord are towards them that fear Him, and he knoweth all the work of man. 
Sirach 15:21  He hath commanded no man to do wickedly, and He hath given no man license to sin : 
Sirach 15:22  For He desireth not a multitude of faithless and unprofitable children.

Trash about Christian Liberty is panning out the same way nothing but preaching Love panned out for the Jesus Freaks who wouldn't even discuss the books of the New Testament that were a "downer", only the ones that were all about Love. Obviously the "new worship" for the liberated folks isn't all that new, just a retread of the Jesus Freak era.

The only "straw man" is the lie of Self and Self Alone marketed as "Scripture Alone" by people who follow rabidly anti-Christ Pharisees rather than Jesus Christ.

have a nice day

47 posted on 02/10/2015 7:56:26 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

Other than the virgin birth, there is nothing scriptural about the Marin doctrine, it is all traditional and has developed to the point of being heretical, attributing certain divine qualities to a member of the entirely fallen human creation. This is the danger of equating tradition with scripture.

Scripture says that there is one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus. Catholic tradition has elevated Mary to the position of co-mediatrix and to some minds, co-redemtrix. So, catholics waste all that time an effort on Mary when they can take their petitions straight to the Throne of Glory.

A word of advice, arguments and not enhanced by ad hominem attacks.

48 posted on 02/11/2015 4:58:45 AM PST by tbpiper

Yes, but those traditions have to be inline with scripture.

And they were, according to the authority of the Messiah, and to those Apostles to whom he gave the power to bind and loose, and the keys of the kingdom of heaven. They have the authority to interpret the scriptures, to teach by word, by tradition, and lay hands on men to appoint bishops. They, in cooperation with the Comforter that Messiah promised, determine whether a tradition conforms to the scriptures. An individual can believe, or believe not.

49 posted on 02/11/2015 6:16:23 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)

To: Rashputin; tbpiper

So says someone who conveniently avoids the fact that verse 5 of the same chapter specifically names the Scribes and Pharisees as those to whom verse 13 is addressed.
So says someone who bows before and obeys the same anti-Christ, anti-Christian, Pharisees to whom verse 13 is addressed by naming those Pharisees as having the authority to throw Scripture into the garbage.

So says someone who first blasphemes the Holy Spirit by throwing Scripture in the garbage, then pretends that same Holy Spirit leads them when in fact they rely on Self and Self Alone exactly the same way Eve did after listening to Satan.

The same someone who believes the Bible is just a set of Lego Blocks they can build whatever they like out of and then pretend what they build for their Self and Self Alone is Christianity.

And whence the tradition in the nonCatholic faith communities, sects, and cults to remarry the divorced, ordain women to preach, purport to prophesy and "speak in tongues. ?"

In their divergent traditions of Baptism and Communion, they do not conform to each other's traditions. The common tradition of being antiCatholic pseudo-unity, that is not in unity with Messiah, his Apostles, his mother, his brethren, his saints. It testifies to their face that being antiCatholic is a poor and carnal excuse for true religion. Messiah called his sheep to love and unity, in a holy catholic apostolic church that the gates of hell would not prevail against.

50 posted on 02/11/2015 6:54:58 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)

Sadly, you have no understanding of what Christian Liberty means. And that is your loss.

I would encourage you to open Galatians and Colossians and let the Holy Spirit reveal His Truth to you. Religion, literature, and theologians never will.

51 posted on 02/11/2015 5:04:57 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")

So says someone who first blasphemes the Holy Spirit by throwing Scripture in the garbage, then pretends that same Holy Spirit leads them when in fact they rely on Self and Self Alone exactly the same way Eve did after listening to Satan.

The Catholic church needs to stop doing that. Usurping Scripture with tradition, no matter what it's called, will only lead into error.

52 posted on 02/11/2015 5:28:48 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)

Messiah called his sheep to love and unity, in a holy catholic apostolic church that the gates of hell would not prevail against.

Sounds like my church.

53 posted on 02/12/2015 4:39:52 AM PST by tbpiper

Sounds like my church.

Which is ?

54 posted on 02/12/2015 4:59:38 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)

Evangelical Presbyterian Church

55 posted on 02/12/2015 5:01:20 AM PST by tbpiper

To: Albion Wilde

56 posted on 02/12/2015 3:59:01 PM PST by Albion Wilde (It is better to offend a human being than to offend God.)

ROTFLOL . . .

Sure, Self and Self Alone is exactly the same as giving up your Self and following Christ.

I have His Truth and thank God I found it after decades trapped in one of the tens of thousands of failed Protestant attempts to substitute following Eve for following Christ.

Keep on that liberty, the same liberty that has adopted nearly everything it preached against only thirty years ago and will soon be rationalizing away sodomy as being no different than stealing a pack of gum. Turn the music up and cruise on down that broad highway to your own destruction.

57 posted on 02/13/2015 3:53:40 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

When you are imprisoned by carnal reasoning and groupthink, you cannot see the Spiritual Truth of what freedom in Christ means. It has nothing to do with any denomination, religion, or anything you imagine.

58 posted on 02/13/2015 12:11:20 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")

No one is more imprisoned by Carnal Reasoning than the crowd that preaches Solo Scriptura while running after Eve rather than Jesus Christ and that's not Catholic folks, it's the Self and Self Alone crowd who twist Scripture to their own destruction.

Only people under a strong delusion from Satan could argue that Anti-Christ, Anti-Christian, Pharisees are the people Jesus Christ wanted to establish the canon but that's what the non-Catholic crowd teach.

You want to obey the Antichrist Pharisees and follow after the heresy of Core? Fine, knock yourself out.

59 posted on 02/13/2015 5:47:46 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

To: RoosterRedux; Religion Moderator

I’ve been watching this sterling example of “making it personal” linger around and just have to ask, do the rules only apply to Protestant if someone bothers to complain about it?

60 posted on 02/26/2015 7:01:19 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)

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