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Wow! Venezuela bishops tell Pope Francis the downside of socialism and communism
American Thinker ^ | 01/14/2015 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 01/14/2015 6:40:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind

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1 posted on 01/14/2015 6:40:23 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

And his response....I’m Pope and I have this pen....


2 posted on 01/14/2015 6:45:25 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SeekAndFind

Obviously, the Pope does not believe in Original Sin. Those who do, know that the Socialists’ Utopia of everything being equal in this world will never be realized. Sinful nature will see to that, and as Jesus said, “The poor will always be with you.”


3 posted on 01/14/2015 6:48:40 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: SeekAndFind

My guess is the Pope and Obama would both agree that VZ has not done it right. The thing about being an idealist is you are free to criticize communism and just say those countries have not been implemented it correctly.


4 posted on 01/14/2015 6:48:50 AM PST by plain talk
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To: SeekAndFind
http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/Americas.php?id=11447

An account by someone who is not an Atheist as Ms. Showalter claims to be.

5 posted on 01/14/2015 7:00:43 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: txrefugee

Well, obviously, socialism failed in Venezuela because the right people weren’t in charge and/or didn’t have enough power.

They need that “right” person of moral and intellectual superiority to make all the decisions for everyone, and everything will be grand!


6 posted on 01/14/2015 7:02:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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http://panampost.com/enrique-standish/2013/11/29/venezuela-communist-finally/


7 posted on 01/14/2015 7:08:35 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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http://www.ewtnnews.com/catholic-news/Americas.php?id=11447


8 posted on 01/14/2015 7:08:56 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ex-KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov famously said that Socialism is a disease that is only curable by death.


9 posted on 01/14/2015 7:15:22 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: SeekAndFind

Forget it. He’s a communist and won’t listen to reason. So much for papal infallibility.


10 posted on 01/14/2015 7:21:57 AM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Very good! The Pope is a mushy leftist who likes populist rhetoric because it makes him the darling of the media. Maybe he’ll get some common sense eventually - more and more of the bishops are starting to speak out in opposition to some of the goofier things he has said.


11 posted on 01/14/2015 7:22:52 AM PST by livius
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Why don’t you try reading the actual letter instead of a blog about the letter. Oh I know, then you wouldn’t be able to blame the pope. I get it now. Don’t bother responding. I already know what you’ll say.


12 posted on 01/14/2015 7:28:38 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: I want the USA back

Name one Jesuit that isn’t a committed leftist.


13 posted on 01/14/2015 7:29:25 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t think Pope Francis needs to be told anything about
socialism, communism, fascism, pedophilia or homosexuality.
He knows what he’s doing supporting it.


14 posted on 01/14/2015 7:31:52 AM PST by Slambat
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To: SeekAndFind

I am so done with any hope in Poop Francis.


15 posted on 01/14/2015 7:35:42 AM PST by SgtHooper (Anyone who remembers the 60's, wasn't there!)
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To: SeekAndFind

FRANCIS, THE JESUITS AND THE GOOD MARXISTS

Pope Francis is more open to the followers of proscribed Marxist liberation theology than to orthodox traditional Catholics.

Asked Pope Francis whether it had been right that Popes John Paul II and Benedict had repressed Marxist-influenced, liberation theology in Latin America, Francis gives an equivocal answer: “Certainly they [liberation theologians] followed up their theology with political activism but many of them were believers with an impressive concept of humanity.”

According to cardinal Muller, the Prefect for the Congregation for the Doctrine of the faith, and he himself a follower of liberation theology, pope Francis have close ties with that Marxist movement.

The Jesuits have been at the front lines of the expansion of the “liberation theology” throughout Latin America.
From “Dark REBELLION in the Church” - Jesuits, theology of liberation, Carmelites, Marianists and Socialists: the final complaint.” Ricardo de la Cierva. P. 11-13

“Your theology helps the transformation of Latin America more than millions of books on Marxism” Fidel Castro to Leonardo Boff and Frei Beto in the presence of the Spanish Bishop in Brazil, Pedro Casáldiga, C.M.F., who plays end the phrase in his book Nicaragua, combat and prophecy, Madrid, helped, 1986, p.134
“The Mission of the Jesuits in the third world is to create conflict. We are the only powerful group in the world that makes it.” César Jerez S. J., provincial of Central America 1976-1982, at a meeting of Jesuits in Boston, New England Jesuit News, April, 1973.

“At the same time we Christians are children of a Virgin and a whore (Ivan Illich) and believe that this is the truth.” Ernesto Cardenal, priest and then Minister of Nicaragua, in the biography of J. L. González, Salamanca, “Follow me”, 1978, p.23
“Are the Communists, and not the Jesuits, who are winning the battle of atheism.” Igor Bonchkovski in New Times, n.40, Moscow, 1975

“The national planning of the Society of Jesus in the United States should, following the example of China, become an international planning. Towards the convergence of problems in all areas of the world around a single theme: the construction in different times and forms of a world Communist society.”

Strategic document of a group of Dutch Jesuits - in collaboration with other Jesuit revolutionaries—published for internal debate in the official journal of the society of Jesus in the United States, National Jesuit News, April 1972.

“Socialist societies are very ethical, clean, physically and morally. If it weren’t for his materialist doctrine it could be argued that they carried out the ethical teaching of the social doctrine of the Church.” Leonardo Boff on his return from a trip to Moscow, cfr.ABC, 16-VII-87, p.45

“Marxism provides a scientific understanding of the mechanisms of oppression in the world, at local and national levels; It offers the vision of a new world which must be built as a socialist society, the first step to a classless society, where genuine brotherhood can be hopefully possible, and by which deserves sacrifice everything.” Declaration of the theological Association of India in the magazine Vidyajyoti, of the Theological Faculty of the Jesuits in Delhi, April, 1986.

Pope Francis has persecuted traditional Catholics that follow the Tridentine Mass, but it seems to maintain close ties with the leaders of the Marxist liberation theology, a movement condemned by Pope John Paul II and Benedict XVI and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

Pope Francis has affirmed that he has met many Marxists in his life who are good people, so he doesn’t feel offended when he’s questioned about his Marxist proclivities. I wonder how pope Francis’ remarks would have been received if he were referring to the many good people he has met who were Nazis? After all, many more Christians have been murdered and persecuted by the “good Marxists” than by the “good” Nazis.

It is very worrisome that it is the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, cardinal Muller, he himself a follower of the liberation theology, who confirms that Pope Francis has close ties with the liberation theology, something that is in clear defiance to the Magisterium of the Church.

Pope Francis, before going to the Middle East , called himself the Che Guevara of the Palestine people, a flabbergasting affirmation to identify with and to use El Che as model and inspiration, a mass murderer and genocide of the Cuban people.

In Brazil, representatives of the Catholic left and leaders of the “theology of liberation”, as the cardinal Arns, Fray Betto and Leonardo Boff have come to see in Cuba “signs” of the Kingdom of God, oblivious to the fact that communist Cuba is the anteroom to hell.

Criticizing the Cuban bishop, Frei Betto: “what is missing to the Cuban bishops is a theology that allows them to understand socialism as a necessary stage on the road to the Kingdom of God”.

Frei Betto and the followers of the Marxist ”liberation theology” agree that “socialist societies that create better living conditions for its people are unconsciously fulfilling what we, men of faith, consider the historical project of God”. The problem is that historically, socialist regimes are purveyors of misery and bondage, never of prosperity or freedom.

Asked Pope Francis whether it had been right that Popes John Paul II and Benedict had repressed Marxist-influenced, liberation theology in Latin America, Francis gives an equivocal answer: “Certainly they [liberation theologians] followed up their theology with political activism but many of them were believers with an impressive concept of humanity.”


16 posted on 01/14/2015 7:55:46 AM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo<p> http://i.imgur.com/26RbAPxjpg)
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** Venezuela’s bishops Monday blamed “Marxist socialism” and “communism” by name for the horrors and chaos gripping their country, according to a story in El Universal.**

Sounds clear to me.


17 posted on 01/14/2015 8:12:34 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: plain talk

And they would be right!

Just like Hitler didn’t implement Fascism right, so that should get another shot!

/s


18 posted on 01/14/2015 8:12:48 AM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Name one Jesuit that isn’t a committed leftist.

My uncle. Only he's dead.

If you wanted a live one this may take awhile...


19 posted on 01/14/2015 8:27:57 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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RIP uncle.


20 posted on 01/14/2015 8:29:29 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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