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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: CynicalBear
Reveltion 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

What ANOTHER Catholic church?

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11067a.htm

1,721 posted on 12/18/2014 6:52:41 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
But you probably don't believe that.....sad.

You vipers...

"First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."

Woof!


1,722 posted on 12/18/2014 6:54:13 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter
...to a perceived special position never given to her by Christ nor the apostles.

But He did see that she was taken care of and had a roof over her head, among His last remarks while still alive on the Cross.
1,723 posted on 12/18/2014 6:55:20 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: annalex

You must like the KJV; for you’ve landed on 1611.


1,724 posted on 12/18/2014 6:56:21 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

We are addressing her and asking her to pray for us. If you can not see that, then I can not make you see it. No matter how many times you all whine about Mary, it will never change what we know to be true.


1,725 posted on 12/18/2014 6:57:36 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: Resettozero

I don’t think God gave us a Bible so that we could club each other over the head with it. No sixth sense needed.


1,726 posted on 12/18/2014 6:58:34 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: annalex
The original question was, does the Holy Catholic Church ever contradicts the Holy Scripture?

Well...


Galatians 1:8
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to and different from that which we preached to you, let him be accursed.



1,727 posted on 12/18/2014 6:58:46 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Resettozero

Well I never have and I don’t hold you responsible for Martin Luther’s pronouncements.


1,728 posted on 12/18/2014 6:59:47 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: annalex
Read the Holy Gospel every once in a while and you, too, will become Catholic and taste peace.

HMMMmmm...


John 2:6-10

Now there were set there six waterpots of stone, according to the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three measures apiece.

7 Jesus saith to them: Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

8 And Jesus saith to them: Draw out now, and carry to the chief steward of the feast. And they carried it.

9 And when the chief steward had tasted the water made wine, and knew not whence it was, but the waiters knew who had drawn the water; the chief steward calleth the bridegroom,

10 And saith to him: Every man at first setteth forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse. But thou hast kept the good wine until now.

1,729 posted on 12/18/2014 7:01:46 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw
We are addressing her and asking her to pray for us.

Unless you have convicing evidence otherwise, she is still asleep in the Lord awaiting the next resurrection of the saints, just as are many believers in Jesus Christ, our one and only Savior.
1,730 posted on 12/18/2014 7:02:05 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: Elsie
LOL Yeah, I like to read those. Look at the solid evidence.

of which there is little certainty

but apparently knows only what is found in St. John

that the sect was short-lived - God would have included it as a major error for such a short lived error right?

has not been proved.

Another opinion

The base structure of the word Nicolaitans leaves no doubt.

1,731 posted on 12/18/2014 7:02:21 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Elsie; terycarl
There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide; If merely 1% of them 'ask' Mary for help just once each day; that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day. Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds) ...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!

Actually that number is going to be much higher.

If all catholics say the morning consecration prayer to Mary that's 1.2 billion requests or 13,889 per second.

If each catholic said just one Hail Mary, that's another 1.2 billion requests or 13,889 per second.

This does not take into account any extended prayer a catholic may offer up.

Once she "receives" these prayers she then has to communicate these to someone. Based on the glories of mary there may be some disagreements over the requests. That takes time to hash out the issue.

Many things are asked from God and are not granted; they are asked from Mary and are obtained. Now why is this? Because God has thus decreed to honor His Mother. ... source: the glories of mary .

For Mary to handle these requests she would have to be on par with Christ and the Holy Spirit.

But if catholics get their fifth marian dogma she'll be there. It's only a matter of time.

1,732 posted on 12/18/2014 7:03:09 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: annalex
Read the Holy Gospel every once in a while and you, too, will become Catholic and taste peace.

John 2:1-5   Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)

And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there.   (WHAT!?!?! not the mother of GOD???)

And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage.

And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine.

And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come.

His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.

1,733 posted on 12/18/2014 7:03:24 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: defconw
Well I never have and I don’t hold you responsible for Martin Luther’s pronouncements.

Thank you.
1,734 posted on 12/18/2014 7:04:17 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: defconw
We are addressing her and asking her to pray for us. If you can not see that, then I can not make you see it. No matter how many times you all whine about Mary, it will never change what we know to be true.

Have you read the catechism on this??

1,735 posted on 12/18/2014 7:04:59 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: annalex; redleghunter

Jesus comes after Mary in every one of those prayers. It’s Mary center stage with Catholics.


1,736 posted on 12/18/2014 7:06:58 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Resettozero
We don't believe that the saints are asleep. We believe all we are waiting for is to get our glorified bodies back. Souls go to Heaven, Hell or Purgatory for a time. The Communion of Saints is alive and well and with Christ. So it's not at all absurd to us to ask them to pray for us.

I know that you will come back with a demand that I prove it to you from the Bible. I suggest you contact a theologian. I am not a theologian or Biblical scholar, nor have I ever claimed to be. It's what I believe and nothing you come up will ever change that. For what it is worth, I don't care if you believe it, that is your right.

1,737 posted on 12/18/2014 7:08:20 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: defconw
I don’t think God gave us a Bible so that we could club each other over the head with it. No sixth sense needed.

Why did He give us the Holy Bible?
1,738 posted on 12/18/2014 7:09:00 AM PST by Resettozero
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To: ealgeone

Yes, that’s about as simple as I can make it. You are free to reject it. But I don’t see what there is to discuss. If you can’t see it, you can’t see it. That does not make you a bad person. You just can’t see it. That is all.


1,739 posted on 12/18/2014 7:10:24 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: annalex
...was given the Jews in order to give them simple rules easy to follow.

Poorly catechized I see.

Or maybe WELL catechized!!!

At least NON-biblical reasoning is sure in evidence!!


Galatians 3:19
Douay-Rheims Bible

Why then was the law? It was set because of transgressions, until the seed should come, to whom he made the promise, being ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

1,740 posted on 12/18/2014 7:10:35 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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