[ealgeone]

We are addressing her and asking her to pray for us. If you can not see that, then I can not make you see it. No matter how many times you all whine about Mary, it will never change what we know to be true.

Have you read the catechism on this??

[defconw]

Yes, that’s about as simple as I can make it. You are free to reject it. But I don’t see what there is to discuss. If you can’t see it, you can’t see it. That does not make you a bad person. You just can’t see it. That is all.