Posted on 11/18/2014 7:50:17 AM PST by Salvation
So the priest determines the level of sin?
The author is referencing, among other things, the “Catechism of the Catholic Church”. I have occasionally looked at it, to see what the Roman Church actually teaches on one or another topic ... it contains some detailed discussion of the various sins the author lists.
A useful discussion might follow if you were to pick one sin that interests you (for any reason, or no reason at all), and post the entire passage along with your comments on the matter.
In general, I believe that terms like improper, inordinate, or excessive mean something like “doing it to the point of causing damage”. Willful means knowing what you’re doing. And I think you’ll find, in general, that border between “excessive” and “not excessive” is fuzzy. I also think that, in general, if the average person would be worried about “is this excessive”, it probably is.
‘1.Pride – The sinful drive that distorts proper self love so that we esteem ourself more than is proper.’
just a start, who determines what is proper in this case?
Here is his full paragraph on the topic:
Pride - The sinful drive that distorts proper self love so that we esteem ourself more than is proper and at the same time denigrate the goodness of others. There is such a thing as well ordered self love and self esteem but Pride is love of self which is perverted causes us unjustly to think of others as beneath us or less worthy. Pride also stirs us to reject lawful authority of others over us including God and refuses appropriate submission. Pride is at the root of every sin for through it we pridefully think we have a way better than what God has set forth or that we alone can be the judge of right and wrong. Adam and Eve wanted to “be like Gods” and wanted themselves to determine what was right and wrong. Hence they demanded to eat of the tree of the “Knowledge of good and evil.” This is Pride.
Jesus commands us "Love your neighbor as yourself". The self-love Jesus commands would seem to involve understanding the truth about oneself. The sin of Pride would seem to involve falsely elevating oneself.
Hardly. When Catholics discuss things it is a given that we have a shared body of knowledge. I may be taking you wrong, but you seem to want to argue over a small point. I really don’t want to argue over it. Take it or leave it.
Wow! Really? Of course not, but he can help you work through it so that you know what it is you are doing that is a sin. Whatever you want to believe, believe.
I have had various thoughts about it. Perhaps I am being too scrupulous. Maybe people who use this are unaware of it having the meaning that I ascribe to it.
Who determines whether we have thought unjustly of another? There has always been, and always will be, people that are less worthy, who determines that?
Who determines whether the authority of others over us, should be rejected or not?
Those that are not Catholic and do not have a shared body of knowledge...what about them?
I do, thanks.
My point is, this list of sins to use as a reference, really doesn’t mean anything to someone that doesn’t believe the same.
I don't have any problems answering sincere questions, but I tire easily of debating my religion with people who just want to argue. I see no point in it. I will not stop being Catholic and you will most likely not become Catholic, so what is your motivation? Is is knowledge? There are plenty of links to read. If it's just to bait and parse words, I think we all have better ways to spend our time.
I keep an inventory of things that I can do better. I do what is called an "Examination of Conscience". Think of it as a state of yourself report. I go over in my head ways in which I have fallen either short or completely.
For example were I to physically kill someone, that is a mortal sin, very grave, it separates me from God, not on his behalf so much, but on mine. Think Adam and Eve hiding from God after they ate the apple. They knew they messed up. But that is an easy to see sin. A no brainer.
Now this list that the good Father compiled, is a tool to find out the venial sins that I am guilty of, but probably much less aware of. By meditating on a list such as this I can see where I have fallen and sinned.
Confession is a way to examine yourself and tell God you are sorry in the most simple terms, but it really is more about spiritual maturity and growth. Some people choose to stay in a safe world and they confess little things either in a Confessional or in the case of Non-Catholics in prayer or maybe with their pastor in a form of counseling.
Faith is a journey, at least for me. Some decide they need only know a bit and they are happy with that. I like to go deeper and richer.
So, essentially, what one persons deems to be a sincere question, isn’t necessarily a sincere question to another?
How do people of different religious beliefs, supposed to discuss things then? What you call debate, others call questions.
The motivation, is to hear what people think and have to say, not what is already written down.
Why do you consider some of my questions as baiting and parsing?
That’s too bad, thanks
That being said. At some point a whole bunch or parsers will be here. Generally they come late in the evening. I am trying to work on my patience. As you can see, I am still working on it. So in short I meant no offense to you, personally. The Catholic faith is pretty much out there for the world to see. The other churches, I am sure have their beliefs written down, but it would be much harder to track them all down. I need to leave off for now. See you later.
“Who gets to determine what is excessive, or improper or just or unjust?”
The Liberal Democrats!
What are your thoughts on the matter?
Do you think maybe that objective truth has something to do with it?
I, personally, use the word only in the context of God. I know it's quite common for folks to us "adorable" as a synonym for "cute". I think it's sloppy language; I don't think they're actually committing idolatry of their "Precious Moments" figurine ...
I am so glad I am not the only one. LOL. I know they don’t actually mean what they are saying but it bugs me.
I just read through that Litany of Penance and Reparation. Wow, cool!
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