The church that Jesus referred to in Matthew 16:18 is those who believe in Him as their Savior.
The Catholic church today reminds me much more of the Laodicean church.
Posted on 10/18/2014 6:38:45 PM PDT by ebb tide
Good News - in fact great news: The dissident push to embracing adultery as a good and precious vocation of family life in the Church and sacrilegious Communion was officially squashed.
Michael Voris states, and I agree, the shove to the push back seems to have had an effect. As it always does.
The victory won't last long. Though the disturbing paragraphs were voted out of the Relatio, the Pope ordered the Relatio to be published as if the vote and removal never took place.
Supposedly: as for the rejected paragraphs, they will still be sent out (!) as part of the entire text to dioceses around the world for "discussion" in preparation for next year's assembly. Yes, even though they were rejected...
In the end, this was going to be released with perverted content and distributed to every soul.
(There is an effective plan for this which we can discuss later.)
I'm very interested in the dissecting of the Pope's final message.
He indicates those hostile to consider embracing adultery and sacrilegious communion are not listening to that wee little voice inside of us that tells us evil is good and good is evil - that is surprisingly God, you see. He wound up that train of thought with the insult that modifying our conduct according to Church teaching and using the Sacraments to strive to resist sin is a temptation of scrupulous, solicitous zealots and...brace yourself...
and of the so-called – today – “traditionalists” and also of the intellectuals.
Then he gave a kick in the pants to the wolves:
The temptation to a destructive tendency to goodness [it. buonismo], that in the name of a deceptive mercy binds the wounds without first curing them and treating them; that treats the symptoms and not the causes and the roots. It is the temptation of the “do-gooders,” of the fearful, and also of the so-called “progressives and liberals.”
and he didn't forget himself:
The temptation to neglect the “depositum fidei” [the deposit of faith], not thinking of themselves as guardians but as owners or masters [of it]; or, on the other hand, the temptation to neglect reality, making use of meticulous language and a language of smoothing to say so many things and to say nothing! They call them “byzantinisms,” I think, these things…
The temptation to come down off the Cross, to please the people, and not stay there, in order to fulfil the will of the Father; to bow down to a worldly spirit instead of purifying it and bending it to the Spirit of God.
His concept of Church seems a wee bit off of the reservation. When everyone gets in a room, those who malign Church teaching and mislead God's people are not erring. They are not confusing and misleading our children and parents should not find it a source of discord.
This is the Church, our Mother! And when the Church, in the variety of her charisms, expresses herself in communion, she cannot err: it is the beauty and the strength of the sensus fidei, of that supernatural sense of the faith which is bestowed by the Holy Spirit so that, together, we can all enter into the heart of the Gospel and learn to follow Jesus in our life. And this should never be seen as a source of confusion and discord.
A big tent with Joan Chittister and me in a room under and with a Pope, children don't need the direction from a Catechism. The truth is found in the battle of the wits.
However, I could not agree more with this:
Many commentators, or people who talk, have imagined that they see a disputatious Church where one part is against the other, doubting even the Holy Spirit, the true promoter and guarantor of the unity and harmony of the Church – the Holy Spirit who throughout history has always guided the barque, through her Ministers, even when the sea was rough and choppy, and the ministers unfaithful and sinners.
The gates of hell never prevail against It.
Fr. Fessio had some extremely interesting observations on the readings of the Office as all of this was going on.
Outstanding job to all those who spoke out against the prevailing wind. Most especially Cardinal Burke and Cardinal Muller, Cardinal Pell. Worthy is the Lamb.
* Supposedly: as for the rejected paragraphs, they will still be sent out (!) as part of the entire text to dioceses around the world for "discussion" in preparation for next year's assembly. Yes, even though they were rejected... Well, at least the dioceses will still be able to see the vote count...
Ping
Put it all together and wha’d ya got?
This is what some were saying. The Pope wanted this passed and even though it failed, it’s going to be published his way anyways.
I guess their Delphi mind tricks failed so he just overrides the majority.
The church that Jesus referred to in Matthew 16:18 is those who believe in Him as their Savior.
The Catholic church today reminds me much more of the Laodicean church.
I don’t like this:
**Though the disturbing paragraphs were voted out of the Relatio, the Pope ordered the Relatio to be published as if the vote and removal never took place. **
This is lying.
Is it true? (That the Pope ordered the document to be published as if the comments were never written.)
In that case, the article isn’t lying. We need to know if the article is truthful.
The Catholic Church in the coming economic,social and political collapse(think 7 seals of Revelation) that is soon coming to the world(cant’ you see the signs?), is facing a schism, fracture or split. Its basically in the cards.
Pope Francis is attempting to meld the two disparate groups(liberal vs. conservative) together, perhaps an impossible task but it needs to be attempted. Its being attempted through laxity, patience, symbolism and through language, but not through change in doctrine.
...On more substantive matters, other things have emerged as well. We still don’t know exactly how the four radical paragraphs on homosexuals found their way into the original Relatio. I was not present when the Relatio was read out last Monday. (I’d just arrived in Rome.) But someone who was told me something significant – that must be kept in mind in coming months.
Archbishop Bruno Forte and Antonio Spadaro, S. J., editor-in-chief of La Civiltá Cattolica, the official/unofficial voice of the Vatican and the place where the Holy Father published the first of many controversial interviews, gave each other an open thumbs-up when the sections on gays were read out. This seems to suggest that not even they were certain (Forte wrote the section on gays) that those passages would survive into the interim document.
...It’s not hard to see that whatever happens now – document or no document, final vote or no vote – “outreach” to gays and Communion for the divorced and remarried are now inserted into the discussion at the highest levels of the Church. And unless there’s some strong action from Pope Francis, they’re going to stay there.
There’s been some shrewd manipulation of the parliamentary procedures all along to get us to this point. Even if there is a course correction in the coming months, the Church is now going to be dealing with these divisive confusions for the foreseeable future.
Disgusting, but not surprising. His repulsive abuse of Cardinal Burke and the FFI tell us all we need to know about his corrupt agenda.
Frances is such a weasel.
This, for instance, is what the document says on gay marriage:
Some families have experienced family members having homosexual orientation. In this regard, we have looked to the question of what pastoral care which is appropriate to deal with this situation by referring to what the Church teaches: "There is no foundation whatsoever to assimilate [to the secular world] or to establish even remotely analogous [situation], including same-sex unions and the plan of God for marriage and the family. " Nevertheless, men and women with homosexual tendencies must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. "In their regard should be avoided every sign of unjust discrimination."
56. It is totally unacceptable that the Pastors of the Church suffer the pressures in this matter, or that international bodies condition financial aid to poor countries [on] the introduction of laws that establish "marriage" between persons of the same sex.
Maybe Francis will be booted before he tries to destroy the Church next year. So let me get this right, the part about turning the church into a big Anglican Church was not part of the final report, but Frankie the liberal still wants the lies and blasphamy made part of the official report to every diocese around the world. This Obama-clone just refuses to take no for answer. He’s a worldwide embarrasment as Pope.
Our prelates surely know Church LAW yet over 50% of them voted for those 3 heretical points. Without explanation Cardinal Burke is exiled & other effeminate types are placed in control positions & will be selecting new Bishops to insure their collective stays in power. We cannot relax, we must implore our Lord to put an end to this internal corruption. Use St. Padre Pio’s weapon, the Rosary, relentlessly !
How do you not include those paragraphs once they've been widely distributed, excerpted, and even deliberately misquoted in the media?
Unless they're included so they're seen in full there's no way for someone to point out what they really said and that they carry no weight other than the opinion of a small group. If they're included in the full report it's clear they're of no consequence People who want to pretend something changed were going to with or without this Synod ever taking place.
There's clearly a well supported faction that wanted to follow Protestants into the black hole of constantly adapting to the rot of American and Western society. Those insiders, the media, and the anti-Catholic cheerleaders, who wanted the heretics to win couldn't pull it off and aren't getting anything except the media bang they managed with their little bogus interim report.
The fact that the interim report was even released is a sign of how weak the people trying to shove their agenda down the throat of the Church really are. Were they strong, they'd have played the same game they played so successfully with Vatican II documents when they carefully buried ambiguous phrases here and there where they wanted them with no fanfare.
The net effect is that the anti-Catholic crowd within the Church and their help on the outside aren't going to be able to overshadow reality they way they did after Vatican II.
The reality is, the Church is sticking to what it has always taught.
That's no small thing no matter what those who play their little games have to say.
JMHo
Much of the ado is over Old Covenant edicts rather than New Covenant issues. What Jesus said, while He walked the Earth, was IAW Old Covenant dictats as He was the only Man to be able comply with them and He could not deny them while He was yet to be killed and to rise again. Many have trouble wrapping their minds around the distinctions between Old and New.
If anyone is really surprised by this, I have a bridge to sell you.
Those disputed paragraphs were removed. There are some replacement paragraphs which also failed to reach a 2/3rds vote.
Uggh.
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