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1 posted on 06/22/2014 2:42:07 PM PDT by NYer
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2 posted on 06/22/2014 2:42:37 PM PDT by NYer ("You are a puff of smoke that appears briefly and then disappears." James 4:14)
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"The accepted wisdom is that celibate males have no business telling married couples how to live their lives"

I don't think that is correct. The accepted wisdom is that your church has no business telling the clergy that have to be celibate when that is clearly not what God has proclaimed.

3 posted on 06/22/2014 2:52:24 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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A common criticism of the Catholic Church’s teachings on sexual morality has to do with the largely unmarried clergy who are charged with preaching the message. The accepted wisdom is that celibate males have no business telling married couples how to live their lives: “What do they know about the subject?”

I've heard and read many criticisms of the Catholic Church. But never that. That would be like saying a heterosexual cannot preach on the evil nature of homosexuality. Or that a monogamous man can't criticize adultery.

I think a person who has the calling to celibacy should walk in that calling and devote his or her life to God. But only if they are so called by God, not by man.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 3:05:05 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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**“What do they know about the subject?”**

Gee whiz, don’t people realize that priests had parents! They saw how marriage works or doesn’t work.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 3:08:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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“Without denigrating the noble vocation of marriage, it can rightly be said that the couple undertaking marriage can find no better guide to understanding the essential nature of the gift of self than the celibate priest who has emptied himself in imitation of Christ.”

The problem in a marriage is that not only is the human a sinner, but the marriage partner is a sinner as well. If both partners are trying to make the marriage work, saving it usually is not that hard. But if only one of the two wants to save it...


13 posted on 06/22/2014 3:44:36 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Left wing. Right wing. One buzzard.)
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“The accepted wisdom is that celibate males have no business telling married couples how to live their lives: ‘What do they know about the subject?’”

People who say this have obviously never been in a confessional. Priests know just about everything there is no know about the subject. After hearing thousands of people confess their sins, it would be pretty damn amazing if they did not.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 3:47:50 PM PDT by Bill93
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16 posted on 06/22/2014 3:51:30 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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Why would any Christian assume that a man striving to emulate Christ in the flesh would have nothing to offer about the nature of love?

It's not about the nature of love. It's about making a marriage work.

Experience is the issue.

It's easy to have all the answers until you've been there.

49 posted on 06/22/2014 5:37:20 PM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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I don’t see what the big deal is; for Mary set the example!


132 posted on 06/23/2014 8:13:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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...the celibate priest who has emptied himself...

I...
must...
resist...

133 posted on 06/23/2014 8:14:21 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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I have a friend who is a non married pastor (son of a pastor) who does not marry because he saw the strain it put on his mother and siblings. A married pastor can have conflicting priorities. This gentleman felt that he was always second best to his father’s work.

I also have a friend who is a pastor and has a bunch of kids. He was also a pastor’s son, and used that experience to help his ministry. He uses Stephan’s ministers (not sure if the Catholic church has those, but you need them) to do the things that lay people can and should do. It helps build up a parish, and frees up Pastors for other duties. This man feels he can help relate more to other families being a father and a husband that he could not have being single.

There are benefits to both paths.


166 posted on 06/23/2014 11:03:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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