Posted on 01/11/2014 9:39:05 AM PST by mlizzy
All of us who are traditional Catholics feel strongly about what is happening in the Catholic Church. What I mean is the strong progressive, modernist agenda of telling us to be silent about the intrinsic evil of abortion, homosexual activity, birth control, divorce and modesty. This agenda is being imposed on most Catholics.
I bring this issue up, because these are extremely important moral issues that need to be addressed for the well being of our society. How can anyone ever be for the murder of the unborn babies? Any rational person, without prejudices, knows that abortion kills unborn human beings at a stage we all went through to be born. How can anyone in their right mind condone this?
But, as you have all noticed, whenever we bring up these good, sane, Catholic morals, they almost instantaneous cause negative responses. It is as if the devil gets to work instantly and hostility is manifested.
I preached about the child that was saved from abortion at Holy Mass today. Right off I have to be concerned about angry people, simply because I mentioned the “abortion” word in church. I know this because it has happened to me so many times.
Now, what I have also noticed, is that this same exact intense negative reaction also comes about as soon as you bring up anything about the Holy Latin Mass. It is almost the exact same reaction as that which comes from those who are in support of abortion, birth control, homosexual sex, immodesty and divorce.
Yet, even with this negative reaction, we still need to share the beauty and power of the Holy Latin Mass along with voicing the evil of abortion and the other serious sins that are destroying our society today.
What is it about the Holy Latin Mass that it also brings up the same sentiments in Catholics like those angry sentiments of pro abortion advocates?
I contend that it is the devil and the influence of the world on most Catholics. Just like the devil hates life and therefore promotes abortion, he also hates the Holy Latin Mass and promotes a watered down version.
We are so fortunate to know this and must get used to the same old trick of the devil, an angry response and getting in trouble. He will always have his friends to fight for the murdering of babies and getting rid of the Holy Sacred Sacrifice of the Mass. Latin and the Sacred Sacrifice of the Holy Mass destroy the power of the devil. For this reason he hates Latin and the Holy Mass.
Full title which didn’t fit: “Traditional Latin Mass, Abortion, Homosexuality, BirthControl, BrainDead are Subjects to be Avoided or Else…”
What’s the catholic church teaching on being declared brain dead?
People are taken by sorcellery and folly, turning demoralizing pain to sick pleasure in their heads because they cannot cope.
If God wanted us to just fulfill our own desires, as the modernists argue, He would never have sent prophets or scripture. The whole point of His intervention in this world is to teach us to aspire to a higher standard, rather than just follow our whims or base desires.
I have never been a member of the Catholic Church, but I agree with them on almost every major issue other than birth control. I even agree (of course) on the exceptionally grave evil of compelling others to pay for, support, or participate in abortion and birth control. Churches should not avoid controversial issues; that is where we need God’s guidance the most.
The idea that the Church should refuse to mention homosexuality, abortion, and (presumably soon if the trend continues) adultery as sins to be avoided could only appeal to Satan and to those under his influence. It’s too irrational to be justified or explained any other way.
Sorry that this is your experience. I live in the middle of a typical midwestern suburb. My parish priest talks about these issues and is wildly popular. Every Sunday we pray for respect for life from conception to natural death. My RCIA director talks about same sex attraction and abortion. The Catholic Catechism and Youcat both make it clear that those who have same sex attraction cannot act on that attraction. Etc etc. I know that I am richly blessed. All we can do is pray but you should know that there are faithful souls out here. Oh, and we don’t do the Latin Mass and people receive Holy Communion, standing, kneeling, on the tongue and in the hand. There is also a gluten free option. I know those are all issues that make people crazy but in our parish it works. We have the Precious Blood except during flu season and on Good Friday. We have all sorts of music, most of it tolerable. All in all a very good parish.
Obviously, there is debate about its specifics.
so the church would say that the soul has left the body
True, but with some very legal caveats. If you suspect that the "brain death" decision may be abused for you, or your family; simply ask that they NOT harvest the organs after death. In essence, as a legal representative of yourself, your spouse, or children, remove them from the organ donor program. The hospital cannot steal whatever they want, from a body. These organs must be collected very soon after death - otherwise, they too die and are unusable.
Good for you. Our idiot lib parish even hosted an obamacare fiesta during the sermon and the idiot priest kept harping about”everyone should have healthcare”...it’s no wonder I don’t give anything to this parish.
It's of a piece with the comment my Mama always used, "You catch more flies with honey, than with vinegar." If you get up in someone's face with anger, or pious righteousness, you WILL turn folks away, and they will be loathe to listen to your argument in the future. If you approach the subjects with humility and sadness for the loss of human life, or danger to others of a sinful lifestyle, you may get people to THINK and reason. Who knows, the Spirit might lead them to God by your obvious care for those in pain.
Perhaps you can answer this question for me: to be considered in good standing, are Roman Catholic laymen required to attend their local parish whether they like that parish or not? Or are they allowed the freedom to attend another one, i.e., if their local one is liberal, are they free to go to a more conservative one that may not be their nearest one?
They are harvested before death from a person whose bodily functions have not yet ceased, without anesthesia, and I have a moral problem with it.
There are probably a few others but the only viable body parts I know of that can be taken some time after death are corneas.
Catholics rightly so, take the mentioned resposes personally, but the prize is The USA and freedom ... not Catholicism.
A person declared Brain Dead can be removed from extra medical measures that maintain life. IE: They can be removed from life support. This allows for the natural course. Feeding tubes and hydration are not life support. External breathing and heart machines are considered life support.
I think it is real simple, and the Catholic Church is not by its lonesome, it is not unique to the Catholic Church.
Revelation 17
17 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:
2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Rev 18
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
thanx
If you where to read ‘Humanae Vitae’ by Pope Paul VI you would see quite clearly why the Church is against chemical birth control and see exactly how prescient that the Pope was as to the consequences of birth control on the greater society.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Paul06/p6humana.htm
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