Posted on 01/03/2014 8:59:21 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
Protestants opposed contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference. After this, positions changed. So, did the Bible change, or did they?
4 A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife.
5 Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control.
seems pretty clear.
I am also pinging metmom on this since she has expressed the same position previously
As you (should) already know, the Bible is not the only source of Holy truth. But since you asked I will give it to you for at least the second time.
1 Cor 7:3 The husband should fulfill his duty toward his wife, and likewise the wife toward her husband.
4 A wife does not have authority over her own body, but rather her husband, and similarly a husband does not have authority over his own body, but rather his wife.
5 Do not deprive each other, except perhaps by mutual consent for a time, to be free for prayer, but then return to one another, so that Satan may not tempt you through your lack of self-control.
I am still praying for both you to have Jesus come into your hearts.
Well we hope to bring you the truth, which will allow Jesus to come into your hearts. but I have to wonder if it is so boring why do you feel the need to post? It seems that if you ignore the thread it will die.
It goes back even to the Bible. In part the Council of Jerusalem was called to put down the Judaizers. You had Adoptionism, Apollinarism, Arianism, Docetism.
The Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople were called to defend against these. The result was the Nicene Creed.
1. In conservative Reformed circles, which is where I hang my hat, chemical contraception is frowned upon.
2. In my practice I see far more Roman Catholics seeking contraceptives than one would suspect, FWIW I don't write prescriptions for contraceptives.
3. The rhythm method is just another game Roman Catholics play to bend the rules in their favor.
Why don't you show us where the Bible condemns any and all forms of contraception? While you're gathering all those passages for us... You know, it's obvious that you are chumming for hits on your blog with the provocative label of "Answering Protestants" as well as the history of your posting threads that are meant to stir up the Protestant vs. Catholic divide. Jim, in his generosity and in the interest of making Free Republic a site where religious as well as political views can be debated among Conservatives, allows this kind of thing to go on, and your peeps sure aren't shy about taking advantage of that generosity. It would just be nice if you could do a little historical search of the archives so you aren't starting up discussions that have already been beat to death. It's kinda boring.[emphasis mine]
Consequences of Artificial Methods 17. Responsible men can become more deeply convinced of the truth of the doctrine laid down by the Church on this issue if they reflect on the consequences of methods and plans for artificial birth control. Let them first consider how easily this course of action could open wide the way for marital infidelity and a general lowering of moral standards. Not much experience is needed to be fully aware of human weakness and to understand that human beings—and especially the young, who are so exposed to temptation—need incentives to keep the moral law, and it is an evil thing to make it easy for them to break that law. Another effect that gives cause for alarm is that a man who grows accustomed to the use of contraceptive methods may forget the reverence due to a woman, and, disregarding her physical and emotional equilibrium, reduce her to being a mere instrument for the satisfaction of his own desires, no longer considering her as his partner whom he should surround with care and affection... ENCYCLICAL LETTER HUMANAE VITAE OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF PAUL VI http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html
Leviticus 12:1-6
I guess the bible does bend the rules in the Catholic’s favor.
I guess the bible does bend the rules in the Catholic’s favor.
An explanation of the term, "unclean," from a Jewish perspective.
“The rest of the Protestant world - esp Baptists and evangelicals - has nothing to do with the conference or the decisions made there.”
Right. Anglicans and Episcopalians are what my Episcopalian friend calls, “J.V. Catholics”, but consider themselves Protestant for some odd reason. Evangelicals generally shouldn’t be grouped with them on most issues. Baptists are not Protestants.
Birth control within marriage is one of the very few subjects where all liberal Catholics and many conservative non-Catholic Christians will agree.
But if you search for ‘Evangelicals/Protestants/fundamentalist Christians against birth control within marriage’ you will find that the ones that don’t accept it are invariably very conservative in their political and cultural views about other things. I take it there is a growing group of non-Catholic Christians who are rejecting bc within marriage. The Amish have never accepted bc within marriage either, as well as some of the old order Mennonites, to my understanding.
On the other hand, try to find one member of any faith that is into things like abortion, ‘gay marriage,’ and female clergy that also thinks birth control within marriage shouldn’t be accepted. Seems to me there is a connection there.
Freegards
Yes, and also evidence that periodic marital abstinence isn’t a contrived Catholic way to get around contraception rules.
The principle of subsidiarity applies. Those at the lowest appropriate level of decision-making generally should have the authority and duty to make those decisions. The reason is that they have the best understanding of the facts at hand.
But prudential decisions (such as whether abstaining from intercourse is justified by truly grave reasons) must always be guided by the natural law, and by the principles laid down by Christ's Church. People and institutions do not have the authority to create their own moral order.
A form of Onanism. Satan's attempt to preclude/prevent the birth of David/Mary from Judah's seed. Hated by The God.
No earthly visible church has been pure, except the church at Jerusalem for part of a day. Augustine's knotty problem.
Thanks for that information.
Helps me wander through the smoke. hee hee hee
The Church’s teaching is clear ... even if the people disagree with it. Simply posting stats from a poll does not change the Church’s teachings. The OP was focusing on what various churches have approved ... not on what their followers think.
Nobody uses the “rythm method” anymore. NFP institutes what is called the Sympto-thermal Method. And the Church teaches that it should not be used selfishly. Do some Catholics do that? Sure. But it’s wrong.
My wife and I used it in order to achieve pregnancy. It worked. We have two beautiful daughters. But now being past the age for having kids we now use it to avoid pregnancy. All within the boundaries set by the Curch.
I wasn’t talking about you, but rather about the original poster. but it seems you assumed I was talking about you so I guess the shoe fits.
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