Posted on 01/03/2014 8:59:21 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
Protestants opposed contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference. After this, positions changed. So, did the Bible change, or did they?
Protestant sects universally support baby-murdering and a baby-murdering society. They do this officially in their teachings as the SBC does. The SBCs members generally follow suit and support baby-murdering as well - on a selective basis. The greatest hypocrisy is that they say they are pro-life when they are actually pro-abortion. Protestant sects are officially support murdering babies.
“I have met many Catholics and many other denominations of Christians and yet to know of any who support selective abortions.”
Then you haven’t met enough Baptists because the SBC officially supports murdering babies.
And yet Dolan denounces the evil of abortion in all circumstances while the SBC embraces the murder of children as a moral choice in selective circumstances. Protestants must like murdering babies (in select circumstances of course).
Many good, thoughtful points throughout this topic. These low-Scripture-information types obviously are soon run to the boards and run out of excuses. Keep it up. Stay on point.
The very lowest of the "low-Scripture-information" folks are the Self Alone crowd who throw large portions of Scripture in the garbage pile and pretend the anti-Christ Pharisee Approved Luther Subset of Scripture is the entire Bible.
You can believe what you choose to believe. Southern Baptists and their churches are not like Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians and take all commands from the tower. I offered measurable state and regional data on how all red states (mainly Bible belt and many Southern Baptists) vote which shows action and not just words. I showed where the words are preached and then not followed with action at the polls. One only needs to look at the Red State/Blue State map to see which regions support abortion and which ones are fighting it.
Is your function on this site to proselytize or share your faith so others see something they would want to explore or join? If so, you may want to re-evaluate pursuing this endeavor.
“You can believe what you choose to believe.”
I choose to believe about the SBC what the SBC says about itself. They support baby murdering.
Thanks for the encouragements and your strong witness for Christ.
People who are ready to hear the Truth will hear it and those who aren't willing to deal with the Truth won't deal with it no matter how it's presented.
Ok, I will go with believing the results of people’s actual convictions.
Is the Truth presented in Holy Scriptures incomplete? Are the Holy Scriptures "half a well" of Living Water?
People who don't even accept the entire Bible and each interpret what they do accept to suit their own preconceptions or glandular inclinations aren't going to get anything from Holy Scripture. The number of people who claim to be "Bible believing Christians" and teach that ordaining queers and/or marrying queers to one another is proof of that fact as is Scripture pointing out that the Word can fall on unsuitable soil.
It's been my experience that the majority of those in this country who claim to be non-Catholic Christians and these days even the majority of Catholic Christians are dedicated to Self and Self Alone to such an extent that for them Scripture is nothing but a book of sentences and phrases they can use like a giant box of Legos to build a "Christian" basis for anything they feel like doing or believing.
Scripture is an ocean of Living Water but people who start by only accepting a portion of it are inclined to seeing their Self as far more important than Scripture. In addition, having begun by agreeing that the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect Holy Scripture from the inclusion of error they're unlikely to yield to the leadership of the same Holy Spirit they deny the power and perfection of while embracing personal interpretive infallibility.
I Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness :
I Corinthians 1:24 But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Enough said. You are basing your views on your perceptions as filtered by your church. Free country you have every right to feel and think as you choose. Basically that is called stereotyping.
Again you are freely expressing your views as our Founding Protestant fathers intended.
Perhaps one day one of these stereotypical Prots will show up on FR and you can chat a bit. Until then the world has your wonderful loving religion to view on the pages of FR.
When I first started asking questions here because I has found holes in so many non-Catholic doctrines, especially the specifically anti-Catholic views, some of the same folks you seem to think are all soft and sweet were absolutely hateful toward me for even asking questions about sacred cows. That and reading all I could find of what Luther and Calvin wrote convinced me that the further you move away from traditional Catholicism the further you move away from the Truth as taught by Christ and the Apostles. So after thirty plus years as a solid conservative Lutheran I gave in to Scripture and became Catholic.
For all the distractions and diversions from those within the Catholic Church itself who obviously want to be "go along to get along" Protestants in all but name, there's an unchanged and unchanging core of Truth that hasn't changed a bit for two thousand years. Among Protestantism and it's derivatives though, I can't find any outgrowths of Wesley and Luther that managed to make it past the one hundred year mark without drastic changes that contradict their earlier teaching and even their own creed in some cases.
You're the one making assumptions and dealing with stereotypes, not me. That's typical, though, because doing so is a lot easier than trying to explain, for example, how someone can claim to believe in the deity of the Holy Spirit after asserting that the Holy Spirit cannot and did not protect Holy Scripture from the inclusion of error.
I learned really fast that around here people who don't care enough about their own Salvation see the logical conclusions that flow from what they espouse snarking at Catholics is all well and good, but anyone Catholic confronting them with what flows from their own statements is naughty, naughty, naughty. Should I take it that you agree with that view or not?
Regards
Who claims here the Holy Spirit did not preserve scriptures?
Other than a few atheists who post here now and then I know of no such claim.
You obviously see Roman Catholicism as more Biblically accurate than being Protestant. I guess we will have to disagree as I was raised and educated Roman Catholic in a practicing family. For me there was no love in the Catholic church. It was wooden and upheld tradition higher than Holy Scriptures.
There ya' go, repeating something that's clearly not true because that's the knee jerk response drilled into people by anti-Catholic liars. Catholicism does not hold Tradition as higher than Scripture and tests all Tradition against Scripture because nothing can be True and contradict Scripture.
I see where you're coming from now, so have a nice day.
That is incorrect. Had you done the slightest bit of research, you would have come across the resolutions of the Sountern Baptist Convention and would know that this is their official stance on abortion - it's NOT supportive of murdering babies. Here is one such link SBC Resolutions ON THIRTY YEARS OF ROE v. WADE June 2003. We read:
WHEREAS, Scripture reveals that all human life is created in the image of God, and therefore sacred to our Creator (Genesis 1:27; Genesis 9:6); and
WHEREAS, The Bible affirms that the unborn baby is a person bearing the image of God from the moment of conception (Psalm 139:13–16; Luke 1:44); and
WHEREAS, Scripture further commands the people of God to plead for protection for the innocent and justice for the fatherless (Psalm 72:12–14; Psalm 82:3; James 1:27); and
WHEREAS, January 2003 marked thirty years since the 1973 United States Supreme Court Roe v. Wade decision, which legalized abortion in all fifty states; and
WHEREAS, Resolutions passed by the Southern Baptist Convention in 1971 and 1974 accepted unbiblical premises of the abortion rights movement, forfeiting the opportunity to advocate the protection of defenseless women and children; and
WHEREAS, During the early years of the post-Roe era, some of those then in leadership positions within the denomination endorsed and furthered the “pro-choice” abortion rights agenda outlined in Roe v. Wade; and
WHEREAS, Some political leaders have referenced 1970s-era Southern Baptist Convention resolutions and statements by former Southern Baptist Convention leaders to oppose legislative efforts to protect women and children from abortion; and
WHEREAS, Southern Baptist churches have effected a renewal of biblical orthodoxy and confessional integrity in our denomination, beginning with the Southern Baptist Convention presidential election of 1979; and
WHEREAS, The Southern Baptist Convention has maintained a robust commitment to the sanctity of all human life, including that of the unborn, beginning with a landmark pro-life resolution in 1982; and
WHEREAS, Our confessional statement, The Baptist Faith and Message, affirms that children “from the moment of conception, are a blessing and heritage from the Lord”; and further affirms that Southern Baptists are mandated by Scripture to “speak on behalf of the unborn and contend for the sanctity of all human life from conception to natural death”; and
WHEREAS, The legacy of Roe v. Wade has grown to include ongoing assaults on human life such as euthanasia, the harvesting of human embryos for the purposes of medical experimentation, and an accelerating move toward human cloning; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, That the messengers to the Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Phoenix, Arizona, June 17–18, 2003, reiterate our conviction that the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision was based on a fundamentally flawed understanding of the United States Constitution, human embryology, and the basic principles of human rights; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we reaffirm our belief that the Roe v. Wade decision was an act of injustice against innocent unborn children as well as against vulnerable women in crisis pregnancy situations, both of which have been victimized by a “sexual revolution” that empowers predatory and irresponsible men and by a lucrative abortion industry that has fought against even the most minimal restrictions on abortion; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we offer our prayers, our love, and our advocacy for women and men who have been abused by abortion and the emotional, spiritual, and physical aftermath of this horrific practice; affirming that the gospel of Jesus Christ grants complete forgiveness for any sin, including that of abortion; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we lament and renounce statements and actions by previous Conventions and previous denominational leadership that offered support to the abortion culture; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we humbly confess that the initial blindness of many in our Convention to the enormity of Roe v. Wade should serve as a warning to contemporary Southern Baptists of the subtlety of the spirit of the age in obscuring a biblical worldview; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we urge our Southern Baptist churches to remain vigilant in the protection of human life by preaching the whole counsel of God on matters of human sexuality and the sanctity of life, by encouraging and empowering Southern Baptists to adopt unwanted children, by providing spiritual, emotional, and financial support for women in crisis pregnancies, and by calling on our government officials to take action to protect the lives of women and children; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we express our appreciation to both houses of Congress for their passage of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, and we applaud President Bush for his commitment to sign this bill into law; and be it further
RESOLVED, That we urge Congress to act swiftly to deliver this bill to President Bush for his signature; and be it finally
RESOLVED, That we pray and work for the repeal of the Roe v. Wade decision and for the day when the act of abortion will be not only illegal, but also unthinkable.
So, perhaps you were using an outdated version of resolutions from forty some odd years ago (1971?). More recent ones (http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=21) affirm the sanctity of life and do NOT support baby murder. The ONLY exception - and the Roman Catholic Church also holds to this - is when the mother will die if the pregnancy continues. This is a rare case such as ectoptic pregnancy.
A very good example of a "Protestant" church becoming MORE pro-life as time went on. Praise the Lord!
I posted the actual documents in which the SBC shows its support for abortion - selective abortion, but abortion nonetheless. If they have backed away from that language decades later, it still doesn’t change anything.
By the way, if the SBC is saying it was absolutely wrong, then that means they are an unreliable teacher of doctrine and scripture in any case. No one should ever trust or believe them. Ever.
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/baptist/sbcabres.html
Also, they still support the use of abortifacients. They still support baby-murdering.
“A very good example of a “Protestant” church becoming MORE pro-life as time went on. Praise the Lord!”
I hope they are. That still shows that they are only man-made institutions, however. The true Church of Christ would not have support baby-murdering in the first place.
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