Protestants & Contraception

Answering Protestants ^ | 3 January 2014 | Matthew Olson

[matthewrobertolson]

Protestants opposed contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference. After this, positions changed. So, did the Bible change, or did they?

[redleghunter]

You would be generalizing by saying non Catholics who use contraceptives support abortion. That would be akin to saying Roman Catholics who use contraceptives support abortion.

[redleghunter]

I looked and could not find a national organization called “Evangelicals for choice.”

But I did notice this site:

http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/

[matthewrobertolson]

I looked and could not find a national organization called “Evangelicals for choice.” But I did notice this site: http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/

Like I said earlier, such "Catholics" are excommunicated automatically (latae sententiae), and so they are not really Catholic.

Meanwhile, it is possible (and even frequent, as I have witnessed) to support abortion and be accepted as in good standing by almost every Protestant community.

[redleghunter]

Sure some do and they are the some who have strayed from the authority of scriptures. As does Rome have its abortion adherents:

http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/

[redleghunter]

Here’s a little help in getting started with that excommunication list:

http://www.catholicsforchoice.org/

I am sure you can get them to at least name a few leaders in your local area since these groups are not too shy. From there a couple of phone calls to well placed Jesuits and you can start the process.

[redleghunter]

Matt you are clearly ignoring the fact those pro abortion Catholics are not shy about their views, the go to mass like you and share the same cup as you. No one is kicking them out of church and the priests know who they are.

Your generalizations of Protestant, Baptist and Evangelical churches won’t fly here. I am evangelical and spent many years in the Catholic church as well. The Catholic church is predominantly pro life and so too are most other Christian churches. The ones you like to list are historically closer to your confession than others.

I will chalk up that your knowledge of other Christian churches is limited and that is why you stereotype and generalize. The election results should inform you quite a bit. Pro life elected politicians come mainly from red state, southern states with a majority of non Roman Christian population. So your assertions don’t add up. If Rome is leading the charge to elect pro life candidates then the heavily Roman Catholic blue states and big cities would be sending us a majority in Congress, and the White House would have a pro life president. So hoot all you want about your church and how great its laws are, but realistically the majority of those who call themselves Catholic don’t have the conviction to vote according to their supposed internal holiness and Canon.

Chew on that a bit as good Baptists, Reformed, Evangelicals and many more Christians actually put their convictions in motion and send people to Washington who actually care about unborn life and actually vote their convictions.

[boatbums]

That's not true. To support abortion is to excommunicate yourself latae sententiae (automatically), because such support is separate from the wishes of Christ and His Church. While it's not always formally announced, it's always the case.

Apparently, nobody bothered to tell the Pelousi's, Kerry's, Kennedy's, Biden's, etc. of the Catholic politician world that they were no longer Catholics. Their own bishops have yet to tell their parish priests to stop serving them the Eucharist and a lot of these clergy help get the same people reelected each time they campaign. Paul specifically told the Corinthian church to expel the sinful unrepentant brother from their fellowship. I imagine this might very well have meant he was not permitted to participate in their love feasts or Lord's Supper observances. Is it any wonder that there is a minority of Catholics who follow the church's rules on this?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Does this mean the Pope didn't use Contraceptives with this Koran?

[boatbums]

And STILL not a response to the content of my post. Maybe you think tossing around invectives, insults, scorn and accusations of a non-Christian attitude is a good substitute, but it really isn't. Sounds like you would benefit the most by staying off the Religion Forum for awhile. I don't take things personally.

[Iscool]

LOL...

[Iscool]

That's not true. To support abortion is to excommunicate yourself latae sententiae (automatically), because such support is separate from the wishes of Christ and His Church. While it's not always formally announced, it's always the case.

So you have bishops and cardinals all over the world who are excommunicated from the Catholic religion, yet they still show up everyday and perform their duties...

I think you're pulling our chains here, or your own...

[Iscool]

The whole point of NFP is the avoidance of conception, sex without the risk of pregnancy

No, it's not. When my wife and I took NFP classes, we did so in order to achieve pregnancy. Such is the case for many people learning the method.

Others learn it in order to properly space out their pregnancies.

Properly taught, NFP should not be used to avoid pregnancy except under dire reasons.

So they used NFP to 'properly' avoid pregnancy so the births wouldn't be so close together...But NFP should not be used to avoid pregnancy...I got ya...

Doesn't it occur to you that the pregnancies that resulted from the planning did not make the same babies that they'd have had had they not actively spaced them apart...They didn't prolong any births...They eliminated those cells which should have been in the birth cycle...Just as if they'd have used a contraceptive...

[verga]

In NFP, there is no "marriage act"??? What about the time where NFP guidelines say it is "safe" to have sex (the marriage act) to avoid pregnancy? Is the "seed" of man not being spilt in the same sense as with condom use or withdrawal? Funny the twisting rationalization that some Catholics are forced to do.

God produces the children on His schedule. Abraham and Sarah were well beyond the child bearing ages. You seem to want to keep seeing sin where there is none. I will pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes, mind and heart tot he truth of the Catholic Church.

[verga]

Breathtaking hypocrisy, isn't it?

You need to understand how NFP works. I will pray for you.

[verga]

When Catholics refuse to admit that a Protestant HAS defended his position,

Certain protestants need to understand that making inane comments is not defending a position.

[verga]

So reproductive doctrine is your calling to bring to the four corners of the earth?

You assume to much, I was speaking of the entire deposit of faith given only to the Catholic Church.

Since this evokes a political issue as well, would you support a Bill which protects life at conception or would you vote against it because it does not include abolishing all contraceptives? The Bill would include the morning after type pills which clearly destroy a conceived life.

Personally I don't feel that the government has any business involving itself in anything to do with marriage or health issues.

As for legislation I believe that life begins as conception and ends at Natural death. If a couple chooses to use contraceptives in an effort to thwart Gods will that is up to them.

[verga]

So sorry you had to endure that. Hopefully Iscool is too.

Thank you, we did do foster care for a number of years afterward and that is very rewarding. We are considering doing to again once our housing situation has stabilized.

[verga]

If someone posted from a site called “answering Catholics” it would be banned like other sites they got banned.

Here is a thought why not start one and see what happens. Then you would have proof and not have to speculate.

[imardmd1]

Please don’t quote me a Catholic article in this. I don’t believe in your approach. It is weak and indefensible.

[imardmd1]

true but they weren’t called baptists then

Jesus' cousin was, wasn't he? But that was not a time when immersionists needed a name, because it was the only method used. Think of Aenon. Think of Philip and the eunuch.