Posted on 01/03/2014 8:59:21 PM PST by matthewrobertolson
Protestants opposed contraception until the 1930 Lambeth Conference. After this, positions changed. So, did the Bible change, or did they?
At the 3rd month of pregnancy we were told no sex or I could lose the baby.My husband abstained for a year.
How can you possibly say abstinence during a fertile time is the same as what Onan did?
Good post and informative. You may laugh but I was informed about chemical contraception and its dangers from a Roman Catholic who had a vasectomy. Is that allowed? I don’t think it is.
So sorry you had to endure that. Hopefully Iscool is too.
If someone posted from a site called “answering Catholics” it would be banned like other sites they got banned.
Sounds like it is a problem that the Catholic Church has had to "address" for well over a thousand years now. It certainly isn't anything new but has been an ongoing problem for a LONG time. Are you familiar with St. Peter Damian?
From St. Peter Damian's Book of Gomorrah :
Considering that the Book of Gomorrah was written in 1049 A.D. it borders on the miraculous to note how many of Damian's insights can be applied to the current pederast and homosexual debacle here in the United States and abroad, including the Vatican. His treatise certainly stands as a masterful refutation of contemporary homosexual apologists who claim that the early Fathers of the Church did not understand the nature or dynamics of homosexuality. Rather, as Damian's work demonstrates, the degradation of human nature as exemplified by sodomical acts is a universal phenomenon that transcends time, place and culture.
One of the main points of the Book of Gomorrah, is the author's insistence on the responsibility of the bishop or superior of a religious order to curb and eradicate the vice from their ranks. [7] He minces no words in his condemnation of those prelates who refuse or fail to take a strong hand in dealing with clerical sodomical practices either because of moral indifferentism or the inability to face up to a distasteful and potentially scandalous situation. [8]
Other issues tackled by St. Peter Damian which have a particular relevance today are:
The problems of homosexual bishops or heads of religious orders who engage their "spiritual sons" in acts of sodomy. The sacrilegious use of the Sacraments by homosexual clerics and religious.
The special problems for the Church related to the seduction of youths by clerical pederasts, and the problem of overtly lax canons and penances for clerical and religious offenders that make a mockery of the seriously sinful nature of homosexual acts.
Part two can be read here St. Peter Damian : The Book of Gomorrah (Part 2)
No, it's not. When my wife and I took NFP classes, we did so in order to achieve pregnancy. Such is the case for many people learning the method. Others learn it in order to properly space out their pregnancies. Properly taught, NFP should not be used to avoid pregnancy except under dire reasons.
Yep. It would and they have been.
As for why I suggested a simple search of FR archives for past threads on this EXACT same subject, it is because the poster of this thread submitted a nearly identical thread just last month that had two hundred comments. It is here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3101210/posts
Being that he is relatively new here, he may not have been aware of all the past "discussions" that have gone on here, but in this case, HE was the one that posted this thread after he had already posted the same less than a month ago. I stand by my assertion.
LOL, good point. I have lived in the Bible Belt for years and those Baptist and Evangelical farm families are huge.
This topic is good to discuss because we have to look at root causes for why there is rampant abortion and contraception and how the Body of Christ, His Church is effected. Clearly this is a fallen world in which we are pilgrims in an unholy land. This fallen world has an “economy” which is not God’s economy. Meaning the real issue is we do not marry our youngsters off once they hit puberty like it was centuries ago. So in modern society we have created this thing called adolescence which would be foreign to the apostles. So we then follow the fallen world and tell our teens to not marry until you finish college or grad school, get a job earn a living then get married. Oh and BTW, don’t have sex until you get married in your 20s etc.
My point when Paul issued his teaching in 1 Corinthians 7 and said get married so you don’t burn in lust, he was talking to then marriage ages of like 13 -16 years old. Some of the young widows he addressed were probably in their 20s and the older widows were probably in their 30s. When we think of older widows we probably come up with 50s or older, today maybe 60s or older. Perhaps the Amish have it right with these matters.
My final point? Our current “economy” of marriage and providing for a family is soooo far out of step with the way things were and should be. This modern fallen world has put some extreme pressures on our young faithful believers. Their God created bodies tell them they should be pairing off and getting hitched much younger than our secular society allows and deems “wise.” Which leads to an immense amount of pressure and temptation which leads some to fornication, masturbation and therefore sin and a society which encourages such promiscuity. I am not making it an excuse for the behavior but pointing out we as Christian parents often encourage this fallen system by telling our young adults to pursue a career wait to get married and thus expose them to the whiles of the devil instead of guiding them through it the way God intended.
I am sure I will get loads of responses on this and admit it was a “red letter” only Roman Catholic on another site who introduced me to this concept.
I, too, am sorry for your loss. I will keep you and your child in my prayers.
My deepest sympathies on the passing of your child. I cannot empathize, but perhaps sympathize. My oldest battled leukemia for 3.5 years and you live day to day in prayer they will be delivered. Praise God by His Grace, my son finished chemo is in remission and no signs of recurrence.
Again my deepest sympathies, and may I pray your day will be one of joy when you join him with the Lord.
Matthew the Didache did say you can pour, but that was a third choice if one did not have clean running water or a body of water to baptize. Which of course baptize literally means immerse in liquid or specifically water. So if you are in the desert and there are no water sources by the Didache you could use what you have.
Yes I have noted the self-righteous approach as well. As if we don’t all have enough beams in our own eyes to sit on morality mole hill and caste stones. If the purpose of this thread was to truly educate folks on contraceptives and the Roman position it should have been labeled ecumenical.
LOL, you are polite and quite nice. What makes me roll over and laugh is if you go to Catholic school it is impossible not to come out just a bit sarcastic. I can attest to that:)
So you feel better priests were mainly pederasts and not pedophile? What kind of apologetic is that?
The Catholic church was the first organization to really tackle the problem. Wow. You may fool Prots by birth with that but I know otherwise. There was a lot of hush money covering tracks and threatening parents who wanted to report the abuse of their sons.
you may want to decide if an open religion forum thread is the best thing for you to read at this time. Maybe, just maybe, what is really annoying is that you know I'm right?You don't know squat, boatbums. And you might want to add condescending to my original commentary of just "annoying." Regardless, God be with you. And, as a suggestion only, you might want to take in a good romantic French movie (and a bottle of champagne) some evening with your significant other; does a soul good.
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