…and, welcome to one of the biggest reasons I recently dumped the Catholic Church, Dolan, you fleabag!
Hard to know what point he is making.
Does he think this will make the Obammunists stop cramming down the violations of the 1st Amendment?
And, why would the Catholic church want to abrogate it’s own historical role to the government under any circumstances?
it’s excluding immigrant and it’s excluding the unborn baby,’
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No Im sure the illegal aliens are first in line...
and abortion is not excluded...
Forget all the other issues. Forget forced re-distribution of wealth. He is all for that. Forget the lies used to pass this. Forget the rationing and death panels. Forget the cancelled plans. Forget all of that. Those don’t apply to him.
If “the bishops” support Obamacare, then Dolan is unintentionally condemning Rome for its wretched choices for bishops for this country. Obamacare is evil—quite apart from the HHS Abortion Mandate.
Dolan is a loathsome, shallow, worldly, big-mouthed, cowardly blowhard.
http://www.tinyurl.com/canon915
Such a statement to make the Church appear reasonable is littering this nation with a wasteland of lies.
Well - this is nice to know. I thought the US was infiltrated to the point of no return - now The Church!
AS I read everyone’s comments, I concur 100% - and the one about leaving The Church...well...my Children will get their first communion done, for The Church is that of Jesus Christ and that historical connection is something personal to make...but if The Church continues down this dangerous road with allying with darkness — then I must step away and hold my faith privately and away from such until Christ cleans his house...how sad it has all come to this.
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government.”
T. Jefferson,,
If the Cardinal thinks about that sentence, he must obviously conclude once and for all why government enforced socialism or communism never works.
JoMa
Golly, what a shock.
I’ve been saying the same thing about the Catholic Church all along. If they had gotten their little carve-out, they’d be backers of the bill.
The Catholic Church is all about the “social justice” mentality. The recent missive from the Pope backs this up.
And the failure of the Church to do anything about “Catholics” who back abortion shows me that their so-called opposition to abortion is all talk and no walk.
I guess it’s OK to trample everything and everyone with one exception.
I wonder what he meant by, “...church support for universal government healthcare dated back to 1919 in the United States.”
That’s a quote from Brietbart.com, not the Cardinal. So I’m wondering what happened in 1919, and why (apparently) the Cardinal believes this is when the Church in America stated to support reform of healthcare.
I don’t think there were even any insurance companies back then, were there?
I wonder what that date refers to; is it some bishop’s conference or what? If I can ever find the time, I should look into that.
Religion and politics never mix. This is merely another glaring example of that.
So Dolan is all for every other, non-birth control/abortion aspect of Obamacare, including millions of Americans’ loss of health care coverage, rationed care for the elderly and government control of treatment strategies.
This, along with that church’s strident support of amnesty, are poisonous for this country. I haven’t been a Catholic since the 1980s and am never going back.
It's been apparent for quite some time that Dolan gets "a tingle" from Barry. I guess he'd rather follow the antiCHRIST.
Related thread:
Vatican paper: US bishops speak for Catholic Church on health care reform
Hey, Cardinal...
How do you reconcile socialism with
“thou shall not covet, thou shall not steal”
???
I’m going to say a few words on behalf of the Cardinal Dolan and the Catholics (which is not to say I will defend the explicit attacks on the free market of Pope Francis):
The Catholics support a government that is medium-size. They cannot support big government. The opposition to big government is very clear. They generally do not support a government that is small. I myself do support a government that is small, and so I quit the Catholic Church a while back.
From time to time, they have attacked small government, but not in ways that are as clear as their attacks on big government. I think it is possible that the Catholics could encompass both the small and the medium-sized government-types, but the Catholic Church is generally not a comfortable place for small government-types.
Pope John Paul II is definitely my kind of Church leader. While he was Pope I resumed including certain institutions of the Catholic Church in my giving. I continued this through Pope Benedict XVI, but obviously now I will have to reconsider. Possibly a future Pope will return to John Paul II’s teachings and clarify this matter. But, as it is, the Catholics seem sold out for medium-sized government.
To defend Cardinal Dolan on Obamacare, it is unjust to condition charity on not working. Denying charity to poor people because they work is evil. So, once the government started to get into the charity business, and started to dispense goodies like cash benefits, food stamps, health insurance, housing vouchers, Pell Grants, and so forth, the problem of discrimination among the poor based on working became an issue.
In theory, we could have a flat tax/fair tax/negative income tax consisting of (A) a package of benefits, mostly non-cash, and including health insurance, for those at the very bottom, and (B) a tax system - let’s say 30 percent - where you start losing the benefits as you start to have income, eventually come to a break-even point, and then start paying taxes. With this kind of system, we would have a floor but no ceiling, and at every point people would have a good incentive to work.
While I would prefer a purely private charity system to even this, I think the system I described would be o.k. with most people who support small to medium-sized government, although maybe not all at either end of this range.
Here’s the problem for the Catholic Church: they cannot pretend to know what is the amount of the basic grant and what is the right mix of cash and non-cash benefits in that basic grant, and what is the right tax rate, to make the tax and welfare system work. That would be for government leaders, relying on economic advisors and their own good judgment.
My judgment, as an economist, is that the dollar value of Obamacare is way too high for it to be affordable by the taxpayer or by those at the lower end of the income distribution who are not being subsidized. Also, that the dollar value of the total package of welfare benefits - cash and non-cash benefits - is also too high (mostly because of the health insurance part of the package). And, that the effective tax rate on those at the low end of the income distribution is way too high, approximately 100 percent, so there is little incentive to work.
So, speaking as an economist, the particulars of Obamacare and of the tax system have to be addressed, but the principle that nobody should be treated more shabbily because they work implies that if welfare recipients get health insurance so too should poor working people.
The Catholic “Church” is steeped in centuries of intrigue and corruption—Don’t know why this most recent revelation should come as a surprise to anyone.