Ping to Part 1.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Just 38 more reasons why I’m grateful to be a practicing Catholic...we have the Doctors of the Church that sort this stuff out.
They’ve been working on this since the 1st Council of Nicaea and are still in business today. With the reciting of the Apostles Creed all Catholics agree to fall in step with the official teachings...or face the eternal consequences.
Some may say the same place from which parts of “Roman” Catholic dogma came from, created by predecessors.
As for 13. Where does the Bible claim to be the sole authority for Christians in matters of faith and morals?
My reply is: the 10 commandments.
However my bottom line is: This is the type of discussion that concentrates on dividing followers of Christ. If we concentrate on these division points, then we are not obeying Jesus and following what he taught, as best we can understand it. It also shows that we need to have a historical perspective and knowledge and understand that what was said then, is applicable for today. And NOT canceled because Jesus didn’t talk about electricity, automobiles, airplanes, etc.
EASY!
2 Timothy: 2:15
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 3:15
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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And from the first, what NT books were regarded by all Christians as true?
4 Gospels
Acts
Paul’s letters except Hebrews
1John
1 Peter
And that was it.
250 years later were added James, 2 Peter, 2 & 3 John, Jude, Revelation.
Other uninspired books were hanging around the fringe and were considered scripture by some, like the awful Shepherd of Hermas which made it into the early Greek bibles discovered in the 1800s.
Just one question...
How is it the operation of God’s spirit is so obviously ignored?
Next!
This is stupid! You could come up with limitless things that aren’t in the bible.
This person is a MOROON!
The Scriptures are essential to our faith as they give us a foundation to set our faith upon. Tradition, Worship, Prayer, and Serivce are also essential. If you take out one piece, they other parts will suffer for it.
Jesus studied and tauight from Scripture. He is our example and if it was good enough for Him, it should be so for us.
Don’t bother to post part 2
OK, OK, we get it. You don’t respect Scripture. You’ve made your point very clear that you have little regard for Scripture. Indeed, you’ve made 20 points that you have little regard for Scripture.
I got news for ya chump...If you are not a 'Bible' Christian, you ain't a Christian at all...
1. Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book?
I conclude this was written by an unsaved person who is completely ignorant of God's scriptures...
Exo_24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.
God did not trust nor rely on Moses' memory to pass on what God told him...God wrote it down for him...
2Ki_23:21 And the king commanded all the people, saying, Keep the passover unto the LORD your God, as it is written in the book of this covenant.
No comment is needed...God has people write his words for posterity...
Jer_36:6 Therefore go thou, and read in the roll, which thou hast written from my mouth, the words of the LORD in the ears of the people in the LORD'S house upon the fasting day: and also thou shalt read them in the ears of all Judah that come out of their cities.
God's commands his words to be written, and then read...
Mat_4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
So it is easy to conclude that every word from the mouth of God to us is to be written...
Act_13:29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
The New Testament is based on a 'book'...
Joh_20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1Jn_5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Nothing outside of the written scriptures can possibly add one iota to our salvation or the knowledge of our salvation...
This voids any and all of the rest of the elementary questions posed in the supposed hit piece...Ignorance of God and ignorance of God's words is what breeds this kind of questioning...
Thank you for your witness.
One day “Job’s theologians” will answer for their doctrinaire pontifications.
It doesn’t take long to figure out this person has a real problem with the authority of the Bible. The Holy Spirit directs us as He did the authors of the books included in the New Testament. This writer seeks to create a wall where one doesn’t exist. God speaks to us both through His written word and through the spoken word but He well knows that the spoken word can easily be distorted and forgotten moreso than the written Word.
I have a question for this author: Why did God write His Ten Commandments in stone rather than just giving Moses the words to remember?
My guess is this author is either a homosexual trying to expunge the parts in Scripture that condemn homosexuals or he is someone who is seeking to so muddy the Christian faith as to make it untrustworthy.
These questions show a lack of understanding of what the Bible is, why we have it, and why it is important. The following is directed towards question 1.
Nowhere did “Jesus give instruction that the Christian faith should be based exclusively on a book”. This is an obvious fallacy of definition.
The “book” is the inspired word of God. Catholics and Protestants largely agree on this.
Protestants did not compile the books of the Bible, Catholics did.
Catholics devised the system by which some writings were judged inspired and some were not. The reasons behind the necessity for such a system are obvious.
Two verses which offer the motive for doing so are :
Deuteronomy 8:3
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the Lord.
And:
Matthew 4:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[a]”
This establishes that we are to live by God’s word. How are we to know God’s word? By hearing it, or by reading it directly.
Protestants don’t claim that the Bible is the exhaustive word of God, but it is the accepted Canon, as determined by Catholics.
Protestants do not deny the concept of oral tradition itself, but of extra biblical, unsupported tradition or custom as authoritative.
We trust the written word because it does not change over time. Oral tradition is difficult to pass on exactly; each time it is told, something changes. Sometimes the changes are small, sometimes big and significant. Try playing children’s game of broken telephone, and you’ll see what I mean. Do you really want this to happen to your knowledge of God?
Who was Jesus and why did he come to Earth. Without the authority of the Bible the answers to that are just hearsay.
It’s truly odd just how little some Catholics esteem the very Bible they claim to own. What purpose does scripture serve if not as an anchor of truth? If scripture and doctrine or tradition are at odds, I’ll go with scripture. That’s what we’re told to do by scripture itself.
Catholic hatred of the bible is profound.
Paul