Posted on 07/23/2013 3:20:20 PM PDT by NYer
bkmk
Oh-—and you honestly think it is “evil” to point out “evil” and “corruption” when the Bible/Jesus instructs us to do just that!
Do you honestly think the Catholic Church can not be infiltrated/corrupt-—or ever have a Judas, as a priest or Pope???????? Really-—with understanding the history of the Catholic Church and the encyclicals of the popes?
The Catholic Church is corrupt. Fr. Oko’s Report proves it. All the scandals in the Church prove it-—the words of Bishops/Cardinals that shout out “Biden”—prove it. “The Smoke of Satan!!! exists when parishioners money (millions) supports Abortion mills and sodomy promoters which is proven. Catholics on the Supreme Court throw out Natural Law and God’s Law and are embraced by the CC. PURE EVIL-—as was embracing Ted Kennedy and blurring Truth for decades and confusing Catholic who elected Satan as President.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fr-dariusz-okos-major-article-with-pope.html
But—I think the Catholic Canon is perfect-—and as flawless as can be. How do you square that? The Catholic Canon can be perfect—but man cannot. That is also taught in the CC and the Bible.
The Catholic Church is only about the Truth—never lies-—and about “Saving Souls”-—you should understand that and the necessity of carrying a Sword (Truth) to battle Satan.
“The Truth will set you free”.
I didn’t say that it was eveil to point out evil. I just get tired on non-Catholics belittling Catholic truth.....period.
I noticed that too, and it irritates me probably as much as it irritates you. The Catholic Church is led by imperfect people, some of whom are deeply flawed. However, I have read the Bible, and it seems like God has almost always worked through ordinary people despite their flaws. I find that history uplifting rather than discouraging.
Lust - David and Bathsheba (2 Samuel 11:2-17).
Pride - The disciple Jesus loved (John 21:20).
Cowardice - Peter denies Jesus three times (Matthew 26:69-75).
There's also anger, envy, greed, laziness, all in the leaders who accomplished the most, and all recurring numerous times. Jonah running from and later being angry with God, Thomas doubting, Abraham lying and saying his wife was his sister, Joseph framing his brothers for theft (to tease them?), and in countless other ways, the people in the Bible are like us. Why should we be surprised that an organization the size of the Church has many flawed members, some of whom are very deeply flawed, with some of them in leadership? Why should we be surprised that an organization of that size, with that much bureaucracy moves slowly and often awkwardly? It's still the greatest single force for good on earth (a description I might have applied to the United States long ago but not today), and I'm not even a Catholic.
Note: I have theological objections to some aspects of Catholic doctrine, but I don't see any point in debating those points on FR - or anywhere else outside my church and my family. There is corruption in the Church, just as there was in the time of Ananias and his wife Sapphira, and in my own church today. There are areas and times where the Church is misled, just as there were the many times that Jesus had to reprimand his disciples for getting things wrong as, for example, when He said, "get thee behind me" and again in my own church, which is trying to be progressive on homosexuality and other modern perspectives. We're all human and flawed, even Catholics - and even Evangelicals. And one central point in the Bible is that even flawed people can do good if they have faith and apply that faith in doing good works (which I believe will follow from true faith).
**d in my own church today.**
You are very honest. Thank you.
While I am not a Catholic, I disagree with your phrasing and with most of its implication. Some members of the Catholic Church are corrupt, including as you point out Pelosi and others who support abortion and socialism, including a small percentage of pedophiles and of those who did too little to stop those terrible crimes, and including a long litany of other minor or in some cases major problems. Most members and most leaders are better described as flawed or imperfect, just like the best among non-Catholics, rather than as corrupt. Still, as much as I respect our military, overall I would put the many members of the Catholic leadership whom I have met [before I retired, my work had me rubbing elbows with quite a few very senior people in many prominent organizations, including the Church] above the many members of our military leadership whom I have met.
BTW, I very much enjoy and appreciate your posts on this topic. Please keep them up.
Many figures of speech used to describe the devil's moves, but it is summed up by Jesus Christ and put under these three categories...
Steal
Kill
Destroy
Beat me to it!
I concur!
In my personal life the most frequent, vicious, and unfounded attacks come from Baptists, of all people. Most of what they think about Catholicism is untrue and doesn't have any basis in fact. The other 1% of their criticisms are irrelevant at best.
I found that most don't even understand that by grace ye are saved, and not of yourselves, lest any man should boast. They confuse people by failing to rightly divide the Word.
The fact that Catholics and the Catholic Church are so consistently under attack by friend and foe alike, says to me that this is ground zero for satan and his angels. Which means we're the real deal.
Bump for later
Bible says you're wrong...
I found that most don't even understand that by grace ye are saved, and not of yourselves, lest any man should boast. They confuse people by failing to rightly divide the Word.
Or perhaps it's because you guys constantly pervert the scriptures as you just did with this post...
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Or perhaps it’s because you guys constantly pervert the scriptures as you just did with this post...
33 posted on 7/23/2013 9:47:20 PM by Iscool
Another great blog by Msgr Pope
Peter Kreeft did an updated version called the snakebite letters.
The devil also deceives us by suggesting all sorts of complexities
Screwtape was great.
I listened to an interview with Lewis about doing a sequel.
He said he couldn’t delve into the demonic again because it was really oppressive to his mind,
and he wouldn’t dare try to take on the mind of God by doing an “opposite” of TSL.
This is showing life all around us.
The Michael Letters: Heaven's answer to Screwtape
Jim Peschke seems to have given it a try. $4.99 on kindle might be worth a shot.
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