Furthermore, no saint whether on earth or in Heaven is Omni-present.
Saints in Heaven cannot hear every prayer on earth. Only god has the power to do that.
Trying to argue that they are alive (which should be obvious to any believer) makes a weak argument about the bigger issue - why pray to the butler when you have a direct line to the owner of the mansion? I understand that they are asked/expected to "intercede", but what the hey - where does the Bible say that is the case?
Of all the arguments anyone could concoct against the idea that the saints can pray for us, the fact that they are dead has to be the most lamebrained.
I'm not even loing to bother wading in here... :o/
In Jewish tradition (I know I know...another troll... check it out though, you’ll find it interesting...) When Caleb “...came to Hebron” [Num 13:22] it was to pray at the graves of the Fathers to give him the strength to avoid the counsel and council of the spies. In Hebron, the Cave of the Machpela, in Jewish tradition, is where Jacob and Leah, Isaac and Rebecca, Abraham and Sarah, and Adam and Chava (Eve) are burried. It’s the same cave Abraham purchases from Efron in Gen 23:10-20.
FYI our intent at any gravesite (and it is still done today, particularly before the Jewish New Year) is to ask the departed soul to intercede and beseech the Almighty, not that the departed has a power independent of G-d, G-d forbid.
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Frankly, Francis, I don’t get it. Why don’t the Babble thumpers who inform us daily that they speak to Jesus daily axe such questions the man hisself?!
Here we go with the Catholic bashing again!
There is no way for a living human to know who is a “saint.”
Prayer to the dead is called necromancy, and is forbidden.
When you pray to the dead, you are just attempting to contact another hopelessly lost soul.
Our prayers can only be to the Father. We have no permission to pray to any other.
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SO, you can ask them to pray with you, but all prayers should IMO be directed to the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
(The Holy Ghost is NOT the ones in Pac Man in case the low information voters are reading this)
Just an hour ago, I was rushing to the station when I heard two women talking in front of a store downtown. One, looking like a homeless person, but well maintained, said to the other “The Bible is the most edited book in history!”. That, if true, and I believe it is, should put an end to these fruitless debates that have persuaded no one, and only satisfied the evil agenda of the self-loving haters of Catholicism.
“WHEN MOSES AND ELIJAH APPEARED WERE THEY DEAD OR ALIVE? There are those who insist that saints who have died are nothing more than “dead saints” who can do nothing. I usually ask them this question. When Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus on the Mount of Transfiguration, were they dead or alive? “And behold, two men were conversing with him, Moses and Elijah” (Lk 9:30). Not bad for a couple of so-called “dead saints;” not only did they appear, but they were talking as well. The question that I asked usually goes unanswered.”
A good enough question but not the primary ones.
If indeed this is Moses and Elijah had they been resurrected from their graves just for this event? Or had they been summoned from heaven? If so did they return there?
I know what the author means when I start asking questions.
There are no ‘dead’ saints.
WOW >1000 posts on this thread! How have I missed it? Thanks for the thread. Very inspiring, and educational!
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