Posted on 04/29/2013 7:09:21 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
"The theology of Rome, the authority of Rome—that was appealing to us," says Father Mark Lewis of St. Luke's Parish, the first US Episcopal church to join the Catholic Church under new Vatican rules.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Do you believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was born of the Virgin Mary was crucified, died, and was buried, rose from the dead, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father?
Do you believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy Catholic church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and life everlasting?
it's already apparent that you disregard Christ's own words (see above), but do you disregard Christ too as just a prophet?
False - the words are clear. If some colt comes up with his own interpretation disregarding Christ's clear words, that is his own personal interpretation.
I ask you again, please drop it.
We disagree and you don’t like the Protesant tradition from which I come. That doesn’t bother me. Surely you can’t be shocked to find a Protestant who has problems with Popery and Romanism. Some today are building bridges back to Rome. That is fine and it is their right, but as for me and my house, we won’t be joining them. Think what you will, call me what you will—it is of no effect. Romanists killed many of my ideological forebears, so I think I can handle mockery and Roman anathemas. I know what I believe and why I believe it. I know in Whom I believe. I praise the Lord for His marvelous saving grace. I praise the Lord for opening my eyes and heart to the wonderful truths of His Word. There isn’t anything any son of Adam can do to make me change my mind or, more imporantly, change my standing in the courts of heaven. I know I can stand at the bar of eternal justice without fear for even though I am a wretched sinner with nothing to offer God, I am clothed in the robes of Christ’s perfect righteousness. Nothing in my hand will I bring, simply to His cross I will cling.
Nothing ... they should all leave and find a church with the marks of a biblical church ...
1. Expository preaching - line by line exegesis of the scriptures
2. Biblical Gospel - repentance, faith, Lordship of Christ
3. Conversion - belief and insistence on genuine conversion
4. Membership - church membership
5. Evangelism - one of the core ministries of the church is Matt 28 ...
6. Discipline - church discipline as directed in Matt 18 is taken seriously, members are not encouraged to live in their sin
7. Discipleship - "teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you." Serious adult discipleship.
8. Leadership - Biblically qualified leadership as per 1,2 Timothy, Titus, 1 Peter. This would manifest itself best as a plurality of elders.
There are others ... but if they find a church where all these things are present ... they should go for it.
They will have to answer to a higher Judge for their deeds.
And they have — Christ’s Church, the One Holy Apostolic and Catholic Church
Instead of ignoring God's word, why not read the Bible?
[U]nless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Lk 13:3
Powerful testimony, Long Colt. Praise the LORD!
lol ... surely you jest.
To the latter yes. But to the first piece, don't consider only english -- there are other languages out there.
Of course you are correct. I didn't express my point clearly. I was aiming at the earlier charge someone made that Henry VIII was bi-sexual. My statement about the KJV was extracted directly from the web-site of some rogue Episcopalians who were pushing there new translation of the Bible, "The Queen James Bible" back during the 4Q2012. They simply re-interpretated the 6 scriptural passages that have been interpreted by orthodox believers over the millenia and pasted their homosexual-friendly re-wordings over the those passages and left the remainder of the KJV intact.
4/24-5/04/2012 – The UMC held its quadrennial General Conference in Tampa, FL. Delegates voted by about 60 % for to 40 % against softening the language on homosexuality in The Book of Discipline. Delegates retained their denomination's stance that homosexual acts were "incompatible with Christian teaching”. With just under 8 million U.S. members, the UMC is the largest mainline American Protestant denomination, with a significant and growing membership of more than 4 million overseas (who are represented by voting delegates at the General Conference). However, the number of Methodists is shrinking inside the U.S., while expanding in African and Asian countries where the church is theologically conservative.
Since the 2012 General Conference, there has been an unprecedented mushrooming of talk of a liberal exodus from the UMC. Now even United Methodists who openly reject biblical teaching increasingly admit that the UMC is unlikely to change its position on sexual morality for the foreseeable future, given the UMC's growth in more theologically orthodox regions and implosion in areas where it has pandered to secular Western culture. In JUN 2012, the NY and CA-NV Annual Conferences, which have long been dominated by sexually liberal theological radicals, separately adopted resolutions, each of which was entitled "A Study Committee for an Inclusive Conference," protested General Conference's continued orthodoxy on homosexuality, and established a committee to study structural alternatives for liberal United Methodists. The CA-NV resolution explicitly floats the creation of a new, unorthodox Methodist denomination as 1 possibility.
In the fall of 2012, 2 widely-circulated editorials argued the time for schism had come. Rev. A.W. Martin, a long-time member of both RMN and MFSA, penned "An Open Letter to Liberal or Progressive Friends" for United Methodist News Service. Martin cogently argued that at this point, "it will do the Church and our LGBTQ-friendly congregations little good to continue the struggle as it is now playing out," so it is time for individuals and congregations unwaveringly committed to sexual liberalism to leave the UMC "in a well-planned, organized way." Then the United Methodist Reporter published an editorial by the Rev. Jack Jackson, a professor at Claremont School of Theology, entitled "Breaking Up Is Hard, but Right Thing for the UMC." Pointing out how the current UMC "stalemate over human sexuality" is harmful and resource-draining for both sides, Jackson urged "starting a conversation for an equitable division of the UMC" so that traditionalists and progressives could both focus on pursuing their different visions of what church should be. The Claremont professor noted that the only 3 alternatives for United Methodists who refuse to accept the denomination's teaching are: (1) individually leaving for liberal denominations (which many are starting to do), (2) brazen disobedience to United Methodist policies (which is destructive and unsustainable), and (3) staying in the UMC to fight (which they have already tried for 3 decades and are now increasingly losing ground). "Time is no longer on the progressives' side," Jackson observed. One notable leader in the liberal caucus coalition responded to the calls for schism by imaginatively proposing that the UMC could embrace homosexuality if only it would just merge with the liberalized, fracturing Episcopal Church (TEC) and/or Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). Orthodox watchers of TEC over the last 10 years have witnessed the extremely bitter, and financially draining, legal battles waged by its presiding bishop against orthodox congregations who voted to leave TEC and align with other Anglican provinces. These orthodox congregations wished to retain title to their parish buildings.
Well said. I once attended church with a young pastor who spent most of his very lengthy sermons trashing Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, and Catholics. He was fierce and angry. There was no love in anything he said. The Christ I know is not of anger, slavery, and condemnation disguised as obedience, but of genuine love, forgiveness and healing that lead to freedom. His burden is easy and His yoke is light.
Paul actually wrote that when he was with a Jew he became as a Jew so to win him to Christ. That doesn’t mean we adopt customs of other faiths, though he certainly did, putting his assistant through circumcision. But rather, when others look at us we should not engage in vain strivings concerning the Law, for they are not profitable. I would rather read the gentle words of truth from a humble Christian, than the clanging cymbals of those convinced of their superiority and righteousness. Be blessed in His name.
“...on a thread which should be celebrating people leaving the ECUSA is appalling.”
That’s appalling. I hope you confess your sin of hate next chance you get.
I hope you do to to your non-Christian god as well..
Nope. These people have come home to orthodoxy
Where have I expressed hate?
Amen, Praise HIM!
I don’t want to be at odds with any man, to include any Catholic. I know “we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Accordingly, there is nothing that can be said or done to rob me of the rest my soul has in Christ. What God did in time and eternity past cannot be undone by mortal men. People can throw stones and think me a fool, but I know I have a peace that passes all human understanding.
Excellent post. I don’t come on FR much these days. Threads like this sadden me; seeing Christians crap all over each other. Love is patient and humble. We’re commanded to love one another.
by being blind to it...
“by being blind to it...”
Ah,so you can see into my heart by a few words. You think pretty highly of yourself, don’t you?
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