Posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley
Now that is a useful comment. I thought we were talking about transexual Roman Catholic nuns.
Now if you want to discuss the Latvian Orthodox church....
“How many women did Christ ordain to the Priesthood?”
All of them, and all the men too, by virtue of making us all a peculiar people and a holy priesthood through joining His body. But does that mean a woman should be ordained as an elder to teach in a church? The scripture clearly forbids it.
Indeed, you are correct, the New Covenant did away with the need for the old levitical priesthood as all born-again believers are priests, whether male or female.
Speaking to Christians in general, the apostle Peter wrote:
“You also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. ... “
“But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” I Peter 2:6, 9
In I Corinthians 14.34-35, St. Paul says that women should keep silent in church.
Now if you want to discuss the Latvian Orthodox church...
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I tried BUT due to ‘kavorka’ etc, they rejected me.
Today that could be deemed as ‘prejudiced’????
I'll come right out and say, female pastors or priests when imposed organizationally make me very uncomfortable to the point of outright opposition. I've only had one close exposure, and that was via the church funeral service for the father of an old friend. I've in the past strayed from my Christian upbringing and have associated with “alternative” religious sorts including Wiccans. That woman was. I know the tropes, the gestures, the general vibe.
Then again, I also know women with very successful lay ministries, who have led many souls to Christ. One of them ended up with a regular meeting that could I suppose be regarded as a church. This was not imposed, it was through acclamation and consent. There is a distinction between the two to me, and a strong one.
Roman Catholics determine their own priesthood however. They do not permit female priests, this woman was acting in defiance of her church.
Simple as that. What is done in response won't be nearly so simple and clear-cut though. Witness the impulse to blame outsiders while not distancing themselves from the actual problem. It's a peculiar impulse that I've seen many times under differing circumstances, and I can't claim to understand it at all.
They should take such action against priests who homosexually rape children.
Good question. How did this become a Protestant issue?
How many MEN did Jesus ordain into priesthood?
Find me one verse of Scripture that shows that Jesus ordained ANYONE into ANY priesthood.
Are you being sarcastic?
The women were witnesses, martyrs and that role has always been open to women.
Priesthood is derived from the 12 Apostles, period. Plenty of others are witnesses, testes, martyrs, disciples. Even the word “apostle” is sometimes used more widely in the NT.
But the Twelve chosen apostles were a distinct group. Only to them did Jesus give the authority to govern (bind and loose sins, accompanied by ordination in John’s Gospel—he breathed on them and conferred the Holy Spirit explicitly) and preach with apostolic authority.
An honest Protestant will recognize a distinct role for the 12, distinct from other disciples and witnesses. We are all witnesses, we are not all ordained priests. We are all baptismal priests. We are all ministers, witnesses, martyrs, testes, testifiers.
If you don’t accept Catholic and Orthodox teaching on the derivation of bishops and priests from the Twelve, fine. But then you don’t believe in priesthood. Fine.
Preaching with apostolic authority is not the same as giving a testimony or witnessing. Jesus authorized the Twelve to lead His Ecclesia. If you are a Protestant, you derive a general ministry from that. Fine.
But Catholics derive from that the specific episcopacy and priesthood.
At the time of the Reformation all the Protestant Reformers explicitly rejected the concept of priesthood as derived from the Twelve. (Anglicans retained it initially, rejected it in the 1550s, then tried to claim it back in later centuries; too late).
Those who rejected the idea of priesthood have nothing to say to what qualifies a person as a priest.
And should butt out.
John 20:21-23.
Since you don’t like and don’t believe in priesthood, kindlly butt out of this discussion.
On this issue Protestants defined themselves knowingly and deliberately in the 16thc. All the Protestant Reformers rejected episcopacy, one of the few things they agreed on.
You made your bed, so lie in it.
You share with the UCC the rejection of ordained priesthood.
Which
is
the
issue
here.
The idea that all protestantism is like the UCC is like saying all Catholics are social justice commies.
Asbestos is not imputed.
Another person that I won’t join in with at church. Already will not sing for someone who outed himself as a homosexual and has songs (they aren’t hymns) in the OCP book.
BTW, pray for Archbishop Alexander Sample, our new Archbishop here in Oregon — that he might dissolve OCP.
(Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you." And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained." [JN 20:21-23]
Some of the worst and nastiest writing was the blanket use of the word Protestant to describe who you are angry at for this issue, just name the denomination, not almost all Christians on earth that aren’t Catholic as the villain in this little story.
The church this guy is annoyed at doesn’t even have a million members, his writing seems to be more of an attack on Christians in general in America, than an attack on the denomination that he is supposed to be angry at.
Priesthood is derived from the Holy Sacrifice of The Mass. Where the celebrant acts “in the persona of Christ” and that is why only unmarried males can be priests. The Eucharist is the center of all Catholic worship. It is the focal point of any Church. This is the great divide between Catholicism and every other brand of Christianity.
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