Posted on 03/18/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
Actually, the operative principle is that The Pope Is the Liturgy. I.e., whatever the Pope does in the liturgy is correct, by definition.
Disobedience to the Church and Church teaching is not being Catholic, she is showing herself no better then Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. Cafeteria Catholics are all the same, maybe they dont pick the same things to go against the Church about, but the result is the same, disobedience and scandal.
...what utter and complete bloviating nonsense that is...please indicate in what regard the author is being disobedient to the Deposit of Faith...specify, if you would, specify...
Anne....trying to be more Catholic than the Pope.
Actually, the operative principle is that The Pope Is the Liturgy. I.e., whatever the Pope does in the liturgy is correct, by definition.
...so, if the Pope celebrates the liturgy using invalid matter (cookie dough), using illicit forms,(makes up his own eucharistic prayer), and has no intention of confecting the matter by the consecrational formula(hey, I’m just doing this for the symbolism of it), then that would be the way for us to go as well...just going by your statement...
...of course, I’m not suggesting that any priest has ever done what I’ve described...just that your statement seems curious...
So when a nobody with no power criticizes a somebody with immense power, the nobody is a bully?
...apparently so... it is an odd supposition isn’t it? the entire power of the Vatican infrastructure against some lowly denizen of the blogosphere, and the lowly denizen is doing the bullying...
...you gotta wonder, sometimes...
Why is she complaining on a very special and joyous day for Catholics around the world?
I got up really early to see new Pope Francis, forgive if I do refer to the Pope as Pope Francis I from time to time because of first time refering to him with a name that was nevered used by Popes before, I am sadden that Ms. Bernhartz attacks Pope Francis who is just starting out.
PLEASE Ms. Bernhartz, REPENT and TURN BACK to God!
I'm getting a whiff of Westboro. Fred Phelps renegade daughter?
How about she stop worrying about an EARTHLY tradition and start focusing on God’s revealed teaching contained in His Scripture? The Pharisees got all wound up in their RELIGION and forgot that God is Love. Jesus Christ cut through all of this nonsense; bringing sinners to the Father through His blood sacrifice and atoning death was His business. Don’t be carried away by things that do not have eternal significance.
Why is she complaining on a very special and joyous day for Catholics around the world?
...perhaps because she is truly concerned about the future path of the Catholic Church...
PLEASE Ms. Bernhartz, REPENT and TURN BACK to God!
...Repent??? Repent for what??? What exactly did she say she should repent for? Again, be specific...you are aware, I’m sure, that even within Holy Mother Church one is allowed to speak his or her mind without fear of being branded a heretic?
I’m getting a whiff of Westboro. Fred Phelps renegade daughter?
...so, you’ve deduced from the above article that this individual gathers outside the funerals of slain soldiers holding signs about how God hates the wicked...I obviously didn’t see that part in the text...please point it out to me...
Catechism of the Catholic Church #1378 - Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord.
Good luck defending Ann. She is an actual Catholic. Even to the point where she refuses to encourage schism. I give her credit for converting even while the Church shrinks out from under her. I guess being opposed to the previous conversion of seminaries to bathhouses where you discuss Marx is anti Catholic.
True. In fact some non-Catholics are setting a better example that would be beneficial for those Catholics engaging in these embarassingly mean-spirited attacks on our Holy Father, Francis to follow:
"As Catholics the world over get to know the man who will lead their church into the future, non-Catholics are joining them in praying for the success of newly elected Pope Francis and the 1.2 billion-member church he now leads."
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=18&articleid=20130317_18_A13_ULNSoe794862
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"But if you have bitter zeal, and there be contentions in your hearts; glory not, and be not liars against the truth. For this is not wisdom, descending from above: but earthly, sensual, devilish." - James iii 14-15
She’s dead right about a lot of things—like our lawless government. But she seems completely manic about the new Pope.
The notion that only Scripture contains God’s revelation is a human tradition.
No.
It is the culmination of her ranting that is the problem. She is causing very unjust scandals on Pope Francis before she even knows what he is going to do.
...you accused the woman of disobedience to Holy Mother Church...I requested that you tell me what that disobedience was...the fact that you don’t like her world view doesn’t mean a thing...
...as far as scandals go, you’ve got to be kidding...a scandal? A scandal would be more priests being outed for homosexual relations with boys...or some prelates caught in bed with prostitutes...or a pope announcing his research showing that the Holy Mother was not virgin after all...a lowly blogger pontificating in cyberspace about puppet masses...not a scandal...
...a word of advice...accusing someone of disobedience to the Deposit of Faith is a very serious charge, not something you do just because you don’t like how that person parses her phrases...be careful how you throw that charge around...
I guess being opposed to the previous conversion of seminaries to bathhouses where you discuss Marx is anti Catholic.
...remarkable what the seminaries did to the Faith in the late ‘60’s and early ‘70’s...
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