Posted on 02/24/2013 9:50:05 AM PST by Gluteus Maximus
"Homosexuality is incompatible with the priestly vocation. Otherwise, celibacy itself would lose its meaning as a renunciation. It would be extremely dangerous if celibacy became a sort of pretext for bringing people into the priesthood who don't want to get married anyway," the pope said.
The pope cited a 2005 Vatican document that drew a sharp line against priestly ordination of homosexuals. He said the document emphasized that homosexual candidates cannot become priests because their sexual orientation interferes with "the proper sense of paternity" that belongs to the priesthood.
The pope said it was important to select priestly candidates very carefully,
Can we say that monogamous marriage is the cause of the many adulterous relationships in our society. That chastity is impossible because the sex drive is too strong. We can say such things, but that does not make them true.
Homosexual men posing as married could be a problem, I admit, but forcing them to go through the trouble of creating and then maintaining the pretense would be in and of itself a large entry barrier that would discourage most (if not all) such pretenders.
Only married men should be ordained, with some exceptions for, say, the monastic orders, with the proviso that such priests should have essentially zero contact with the laity. If they want to be priests, then they need first to out and form a family first. They'll need to deal with how they feel about women and sex and kids and whether they can handle all that, and then after they prove that they can handle that, then, after a long course of study, they could be admitted to holy orders.
Require that, and the Lavender Mafia will be no more within a few decades. And this mortal threat to the life of the Church will be liquidated.
That's an interesting question, but it's quite off topic.
Right now the Church is in a deep crisis due to homosexual priests in Church ranks. This has led inexorably to the formation of a Lavender Mafia that covered for its members over decades that resulted in a sex abuse scandal of unimaginable proportions that is destroying the Church. That is the most immediate problem that must be addressed.
Changing the subject to marriage won't get us closer to the answer.
All sorts of unworthy men become priests, but the worst are those who are unbelievers. Hans Kueng and his 2000 co-signers did nor to undermine the Church than all the gays in the priesthood, who are, after all, merely a sympton.
I tried some other dioceses, but they are all looking for counselors. It is a particularly American deal. We are heavily invested in psychologists... they are becoming de-facto priests for much of the US. It is unfortunate, because many priests who concentrate on pastoral skills have not done well with academics, so a lot of them forgot enough in later years to not recognize when error creeps into their preaching. As the rector at St. Meinrad often says, “The Church has had its fill of stupid priests.”
I have heard from those who studied at the North American College in the Vatican that Europe is all about academics. I would not have a problem there, but I was born in Detroit and I am not leaving the country to be a priest.
In the technical sense, I was “released” rather than “dismissed”. If I was dismissed, I could not apply anywhere else for two years. Since I was released, I had time to search in at least three other dioceses before finishing the semester at St. Meinrad. Still, everyone is looking for a pastoral worker, and I would make a better teacher or systematic theologian, which dioceses do not need anymore because they have sisters who work for peanuts.
These men are fill with the spirit of the age. They filled the vacuum left by the desertion of their calling by men who were perfectly normal sexually, but holding to the same thoughts as the gay priests, that the Church is an earthly institution and that they must control it in order to serve their earthly ends.
Tiger Woods had a sex problem. He went to a clinic and was cured so that he doesn’t think or care about sex anymore. Maybe anyone who aspires to be a priest should be required to go to the clinic and get cured first.
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Did you read my post above where applicants for the seminary must undergo a two day pscyhe exam? And days of questioning by the seminary officials?
Tiger Woods will fall again because he is of the world.
We are dealing with spiritual matters here. The seminary professors and guidance counselors know how to weed out the homosexuals.
“So, the number of vocations began to dry up, the seminaries with a wink-and-a-nudge began letting gays in to fill the gap.”
That’s a logical misinterpretation, probably advanced by the same leadership mentioned below. Your own comments attest to the success of the strategy. What follows is from another post in another place, but highly relevant to the discussion at hand. Please take note:
Two former Communists, Bella Dodd and Manning Johnson, spoke on Communist infiltration of the Catholic Church. Dodd, an important Communist party lawyer, teacher and activist, converted to Catholicism in April 1952 under the tutelage of Bishop Fulton J. Sheen. Stating that the Communist infiltration was so extensive that in the future “you will not recognize the Catholic Church,” Dodd also asserted that:
“In the 1930’s, we put eleven hundred men into the priesthood in order to destroy the Church from within.”
“Right now they are in the highest places, and they are working to bring about change in order that the Catholic Church will no longer be effective against Communism.”
Manning Johnson, a former Communist Party official and author of “Color, Communism and Common Sense” testified in 1953 to the House un-American Activities Committee regarding the infiltration of the Catholic Church:
“Once the tactic of infiltration of religious organizations was set by the Kremlin ... the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the (Catholic) Church by Communists operating within the Church itself. The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions (Europe also had its cells) and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available to them, it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries. The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths conducive to Communist purposes This policy of infiltrating seminaries was successful beyond even our communist expectations.”
From the point of view of the many victims of priestly sex abuse, having "just an ordinary man" as a parish priest might be quite an attractive alternative to what they got.
Do you agree?
You could have fooled me.
Please educate yourself how this grace from Jesus Christ himself protects these priests.
Spiritual Direction in the Life of a Priest
How I Met Your Father: Married Episcopalians Becoming Catholic Priests
It takes bravery to follow Christ as priests (Catholic caucus)
Priests Must Live Holy Lives to be Effective Ministers, Vatican Says
Traditional Catholicism Is Winning
Number of Priests Worldwide Continues Steady Increase (and other good news!)
Ordained as Priest After Wife Died
What the heck is a cardinal, anyway?
Catholic Word of the Day: TRANSITIONAL DIACONATE, 12-07-11
"The Dignity and Duties of the Priest" (excerpt) by St. Alphonsus Liguori [Catholic Caucus]
Charisma, Conservatism Gifts of Newest Priests
"The Dignity and Duties of the Priest" (excerpt) by St. Alphonsus Liguori [Catholic Caucus]
On the Catholic Priesthood, AD CATHOLICI SACERDOTII, Encyclical (Long) [Catholic Caucus]
Meet The U.S.’s Largest Ordination Class
The FSSP Experiences Tremendous Growth
Survey Indicates Increase in Inquiries For The Priesthood and Religious Life
Young Catholics Hear Call to Serve
US Dominican Province Welcomes Its Biggest Class of Novices in Decades
It Was the Rosary: Mainz Priest Talks About His Vocation
The Priesthood (Holy Orders) [Catholic Caucus]
[CATHOLIC / ORTHODOX CAUCUS] The priesthood: the love of the Heart of Jesus
More Heeding The Call to Priesthood at Menlo Park Seminary
Nephew of slain Germantown priest follows uncle's path
On the menu: the priesthood
Of priests and possible priests to be
Priests are a gift from the Heart of Christ, Pope Benedict says
Convert looks forward to serving God in unique way [Father Doug Piece]
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: [Holy] Orders
From Krishna to Christ: The Conversion Testimony of Father Jay Kythe
'Come Follow Me': Grant Desme Lays Aside Baseball Career and Responds
A's MVP Desme retires for priesthood [ Grant Desme]
THE PRIESTHOOD DEBATE
Faith Journey Leads United Methodist from Pastorate to Catholic Priesthood
Former Protestant Minister Pursues Priesthood
Married man to be ordained (RC) priest [Ecumenical]
A Father and Son Swim the Tiber and become Priests [Ecumenical]
Cardinal Arinze discusses the priestly vows of obedience, poverty and chastity (Catholic Caucus)
Pope Gives Key to Being Highly Effective Priests [Ecumenical]
Priests: Ordinary Men Made Extraordinary by Grace [Holy Orders/Chrism Mass]
7 Reasons To Be a Priest
The Nature of Priestly Ordination: Theological Background and Some Present Concerns
The Priesthood of Jesus Christ - Body and Blood (Confessional ... Consecration ... and Calvary)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Priesthood (Holy Orders) [Catholic-Orthodox Caucus]
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Celibacy [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
New priest finds joy in sacrifice
No shortage of priests in Atlanta, more than 50 seminarians
Debt, the Vocation Killer [Catholic Caucus]
Identical twins become Green Bay priests
A Modern Roman Rite Priest reports on Classical Roman Rite Training
Number of new priests expected to rise in 2007
Father, Mother, Sister, Brother [Part One of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
It Takes a Village of Vocations [Part Two of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
Living Single and Celibate in God’s Service [Part Three of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
Brothers and Sisters in Christ [Part Four of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
The Adventure of the Priesthood [Part Five of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
This Is the Body of Christ [Part Six of a series on Celibacy and Vocations] -- Catholic Caucus
14 men are ordained into the priesthood (at St. Patrick's Cathedral NYC)
To Know, To Love, To Lead (Pope Benedict XVI ordains 22 new priests)
The Indispensable Priesthood -- Holy Thursday, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Why Does the Catholic Church Ordain Only Men to the Priesthood? Part Three[Cath/Orth/Angl Caucus]
Why Does the Catholic Church Ordain Only Men to the Priesthood? Part Two
Why Does the Catholic Church Ordain Only Men to the Priesthood? Part One [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Vatican Said (Again!) Not Revising Celibacy Rule
Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
Of priests and possible priests to be
Priests are a gift from the Heart of Christ, Pope Benedict says
Convert looks forward to serving God in unique way [Father Doug Piece]
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: [Holy] Orders
From Krishna to Christ: The Conversion Testimony of Father Jay Kythe
'Come Follow Me': Grant Desme Lays Aside Baseball Career and Responds
A's MVP Desme retires for priesthood [ Grant Desme]
THE PRIESTHOOD DEBATE
Faith Journey Leads United Methodist from Pastorate to Catholic Priesthood
Former Protestant Minister Pursues Priesthood
Married man to be ordained (RC) priest [Ecumenical]
A Father and Son Swim the Tiber and become Priests [Ecumenical]
Cardinal Arinze discusses the priestly vows of obedience, poverty and chastity (Catholic Caucus)
Pope Gives Key to Being Highly Effective Priests [Ecumenical]
Priests: Ordinary Men Made Extraordinary by Grace [Holy Orders/Chrism Mass]
7 Reasons To Be a Priest
The Nature of Priestly Ordination: Theological Background and Some Present Concerns
The Priesthood of Jesus Christ - Body and Blood (Confessional ... Consecration ... and Calvary)
What You [Catholics] Need to Know: Priesthood (Holy Orders) [Catholic-Orthodox Caucus]
What You {Catholics} Need to Know: Celibacy [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
New priest finds joy in sacrifice
No shortage of priests in Atlanta, more than 50 seminarians
Debt, the Vocation Killer [Catholic Caucus]
Identical twins become Green Bay priests
A Modern Roman Rite Priest reports on Classical Roman Rite Training
Number of new priests expected to rise in 2007
Father, Mother, Sister, Brother [Part One of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
It Takes a Village of Vocations [Part Two of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
Living Single and Celibate in God’s Service [Part Three of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
Brothers and Sisters in Christ [Part Four of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
The Adventure of the Priesthood [Part Five of a series on Celibacy] -- Catholic Caucus
This Is the Body of Christ [Part Six of a series on Celibacy and Vocations] -- Catholic Caucus
14 men are ordained into the priesthood (at St. Patrick's Cathedral NYC)
To Know, To Love, To Lead (Pope Benedict XVI ordains 22 new priests)
The Indispensable Priesthood -- Holy Thursday, [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Why Does the Catholic Church Ordain Only Men to the Priesthood? Part Three[Cath/Orth/Angl Caucus]
Why Does the Catholic Church Ordain Only Men to the Priesthood? Part Two
Why Does the Catholic Church Ordain Only Men to the Priesthood? Part One [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Vatican Said (Again!) Not Revising Celibacy Rule
Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
You seem quite sarcastic and unwilling to believe the truth. Can you get some professional help?
WRONG. Those heterosexuals suffering from the homosexual mental disorder (there are no 'gay' beings) are no longer being considered -they are justly discriminated against.
I think you should do some research -you seem heavy on opinion and light on facts.
Do you seriously contend that homosexuals are no longer being admitted to holy orders?
Before you can accept truth you must FIRST abandon the leftist propaganda you faithfully believe. There are NO 'gay' beings. The only differentiators between the disordered homosexual sex practitioners and normal heterosexuals is the SEX they choose to engage in. Married men can just as easily choose to engage in homosexual sex as any men can -they as well can sexually abuse children or have sex with goats.
The sex practitioners suffering from the homosexual disorder practice in sinful activity -like any any sin it involves DOING -not BEING.
Yes
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