Posted on 10/17/2012 4:33:29 AM PDT by Colofornian
The daughter of a Latter Day Saints bishop and author of a book on Mitt Romney’s Mormonism says that she has concerns about a Romney presidency.
Tricia Erickson, who is now a professing Christian after being involved in the LDS establishment for 21 years, stated in an article this week entitled The Obamney Twins that while she cannot support Barack Obama, she is unable to vote for Mitt Romney either.
“To me, as a conservative, a Republican and a Christian, I cannot justify a vote for either one of the Obamney baby-killing, annihilators of the family, government healthcare mandated to take over our economy socialist evil twins – and be right with our Creator,” she wrote.
Erickson pointed out that neither seek to ban abortion, and both have shown support for homosexuality.
“Republicans say that they have to vote for Romney because we are losing our country to socialism and after another four years of Obama, there will be nothing left of America. I can’t say that I disagree,” she said. “However, what is never talked about is that Romney has his own goals for the Mormon Church [and] The Mormon Plan for America, and while he is cunning and a good debater, he lacks the judgment to discern that he will not become a ‘god’ in his next life and receive his own planet.”
Erickson has been making the rounds on various talk shows and has been featured in news publications for at least the past year, discussing her concerns with Mormonism and a potential Romney presidency.
“While he attempts to portray Mormonism as just another Christian religion, Mitt Romney counts on his skills to shift our attention away from what he truly believes,” she wrote in her book Can Mitt Romney Serve Two Masters? The Mormon Church Versus the Office of the Presidency of the United States of America.
“It’s like our eyes are glazed over when it comes to the religion of Mitt Romney,” Erickson told talk show host Thomas Hartmann in further discussing the matter. “If you just knew what Mitt Romney believed, you would run far away from this candidate.”
Erickson states that she grew up in a devout Mormon household, and was even married in the LDS temple according to mandated rituals. However, she laments many things that she observed and was subjected to.
“It was horrific,” she told WND. “There I was standing naked [at my wedding]. They brought this bowl of water and started washing my body down, and whispering prayers over my body. They stopped over the right and left breast, the navel and knees and prayed specific prayers.”
Erickson stated that because Mitt Romney is a dedicated Mormon, he espouses beliefs that are very concerning, including that Jesus was not born of a virgin, that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers, and that Romney will one day become one of many deities.
“Mitt Romney truly, unequivocally believes that when he dies, he is going to become a god in Heaven,” she said. “He is going be given his own kingdom/planet. He will be able to call his wife Ann by the secret name that is only given to him in the Mormon secret ceremonies … When he calls her on to his planet, they will have relations to populate the planet with spirit children, as they believe our God has a wife on His planet, and He did the same, and they believe that we are our God’s spirit children from our god mother and god father.”
“So, all of us here on earth, we existed in a pre-existence with God as a spirit baby, then we came down and inhabited these little babies’ bodies that are here on the earth,” Erickson continued, explaining LDS beliefs. “[This was done] so that we could go through our process to venture into godhood.”
She said that there has been a longstanding agenda in the LDS establishment to place Mormons into governmental offices.
“[The LDS establishment has] been trying since the beginning to get someone in the presidency, because they believe they have to establish their authority so when Jesus comes to earth, the Mormon Church will take control of the government and the Mormons will be the government of God on earth,” Erickson explained.
“They believe that when Jesus comes back to earth in the millennium, that He’s going to come to Jackson County, Missouri, which that’s where they believe the Garden of Eden is,” she added.
Former Mormons Dennis and Rauni Higley of H.I.S. Ministries International in Salt Lake City, Utah concur that these indeed are the beliefs of the LDS establishment. They provided Christian News Network with written outlines of their concerns surrounding what is called the “White Horse Prophesy.”
“From its very beginning, the Mormon plan for America has been to have a Mormon president lead this nation and ultimately the world,” they stated. “The so-called ‘White Horse Prophecy’ of Joseph Smith has been referred to often as a destiny of the Mormon priesthood in saving the United States. This ‘prophecy’ predicts that U.S. government will one day hang as if by a single thread and Mormon elders will step in and save it.”
Erickson said that in Mormon ceremonies, participants must swear to keep secret what goes on behind closed doors. She advised that in rituals that she was involved with, she observed people being forced to make gestures signifying their death if they revealed what takes place.
“They actually had us [symbolically] slashing our guts open and our guts falling to the ground if we told people of the secret dogma of the ceremonies,” she stated.
When asked how Erickson knows that Romney espouses these same beliefs, she replied that Romney has long had high ranking in the LDS establishment, holding office as bishop like her father, and working as a Mormon missionary in France for a time.
“You cannot get more Mormon than Mitt Romney,” she stated. “And I have been through the same temple ceremonies … to follow the church first before anything else.”
“To my way of thinking the idiosyncrasies of Mormon belief and practice are not the issue; Catholic belief in transubstantiation and Protestant belief in the resurrection [of Jesus] can be made to look silly, too,” Romney told CNN last year after being informed of Erickson’s writings and speeches against him.
Because of these concerns, in Erickson’s article this week, she noted that many will vote third party this year or skip the presidential race on the ballot.
“Some have said that they will simply not vote for either establishment candidate, [but] instead, in protest, will write-in another name or candidate if they will vote at all,” she wrote. “I, and approximately 90 million Americans, agree with Charles Spurgeon who says, ‘Of two evils, choose neither.’”
Sorry, I simply do not see the problem at all. I guess you’re saying Mormon evangelists will try to take advantage of having a Mormon in the White House. So what? This is a free country, with freedom of religion, and anyone can make any kind of pitch they want. Christians are free to and must make a stronger pitch, which I believe is stronger anyway since so much of Mormonism is just unbelievable. I just look at the big picture of our society. The biggest threat to Christian values and the Christian religion comes from secular liberalism, not from Mormons, who in fact are allies against the redefinition of marriage, e.g., in California. Obama and the Democrats are the biggest source and engine for secular liberalism in politics. They must be voted out. Republicans may not be perfect, but they will be more susceptible to pressure at least on occasion on conservative principles, and on preserving of religious liberty that Obama wants to trample underfoot. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see the danger from a Mormon president. One has to look beyond religious labels to what would best serve the country in the particular circumstances at hand. Romney would be better than pseudo-Christian Obama. If I were to take offense at a candidates religion, I find much more objectionable to the black liberation theology of Obama and Rev. Wright, which is basically a form of Marxism with race substituted for class and with a little Christian lingo thrown in to fool the boobs.
Barringer Crater was caused by a meteor strike with an impact energy equal to about 10 million tons of TNT.
It’s your “hope” for this to hit Boca Raton during the next debate?
Really?
Or are you just avoiding the question?
Is it your assertion that a man with similar views to even some of the founders is worse than what we have now?
Is it your assertion that it is better to have a second term resident who believes the constitution is a “flawed document” than a man who believes it's inspired?
Is it your assertion that a candidate who is head and shoulders over obama (weren't all our candidates?) Should be rejected solely on the basis of his religion?
Delph
Delph.
With as skinny as Obama is, and his concealed medical records, getting Biden isn't all that unlikely. Not that a stupid, senile Biden wouldn't be better than Obama, but just think it is Ryan waiting in the wings for us if Romney is President. A good chess player knows that it has to be Romney over Obama.
Biden? Do I hear a resounding chorus of "YIKES"?!!
(I didn't know that some of the founders...
(a) thought they were "gods-in-embryo"...[DU, all -- for references as to what I'm talking about here, see post #30]
or (b) considered Christian sects to be apostate & filled with 100% "corrupt" professors & 100% "abominable" creeds...[For Lds "scriptures" referenced here, see post #84])
(Well, of course, Mitt Romney "a god of gods," is "head and shoulders" over a mere man, Barack. Is it your assertion that Mitt Romney is not a "god in embryo"??? ... I expect a direct answer to that question)
1. Most Mormons are not notorious pro-aborts who have made pro-abort actions/comments in 1994, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2012...like Mitt Romney has done.
2. Most Mormons -- anywhere from 80 to 85% of them -- are not temple Mormons -- like Mitt Romney is. Therefore, non-temple Mormons have ZILCHO claim to be or become "gods." The celestial kingdom, where the Mormon "gods" supposedly attain, is not for them.
And, for something completely different: Why Evangelicals Are Supporting Romney
You do realize, don't you, that this Q goes both ways...thereby making it a 1-1 deadlock "tie" of sorts...which is horrendous "light" directed upon Mitt Romney...to actually "lose out" on a Constitutional matter to an out-and-out loser like Barack Obama.
With this Q you ask, DU, "Mitt" jumps out to a 1-0 lead on the Constitution.
But then the next Q comes -- equaling the Constitutional Qs at one apiece:
Is it your assertion, DU, that...
...it is better to have a first term president who...
...believes the Constitution's authors were “flawed” to the point of ...
...being "corrupt" professors of their faith;
...were 100% "apostate" before God/Jesus Christ;
...and that most of them embraced Christian sect creeds that Mitt and the rest of Mormon leadership regard as 100% an "abomination" before the Mormon god?
(I expect a direct answer to this question)
ALL: IT IS LDS OFFICIAL doctrine that the worldwide Christian denominations -- as they existed in the 18th century -- were in apostasy...
...that 100% of Christian sect creeds were regarded as an "abomination" -- per the first "vision" Joseph Smith received...
...and that "all" professors of the Christian faith were "corrupt"...citations found at post #84.
Were the founders to be still in their grave, they'd turn over at the nasty allegations made by Joseph Smith and the rest of Lds "prophets" and their disciples.
As Unam Sanctam drifts off to sleep tonight, God grants him a dream. In the dream, Unam Sanctam opens the door to a time machine and heads back in time to a city in Western Turkey...circa the early 50s A.D.
He ventures into a "send-off" gathering of early Christians in Ephesus. There, the apostle Paul has been teaching, evangelizing, and discipling for three years...and is about to head off to Macedonia/Corinth.
Unam Sanctam hears the words direct from the apostle Paul:
“Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again. 26 Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of any of you. 27 For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. 28 Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. 29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. 31 So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears. (Acts 20:25-31)
Upon hearing Paul's words -- especially the bold-faced portion above -- Unam Sanctam decides to speak up and lecture the apostle Paul in response:
"Really Paul," U.S. says, "I simply do not see the problem at all. I guess you’re saying evangelists from the savage wolf sect will try to take advantage of having savage wolves become leaders of this white house church. So what? This is a free 'enough' region, from what I understand, and with the overwhelming number of religious gods that can be chosen around here, well, hey, anyone can make any kind of pagan-god pitch they want. Right? Christians are free to and must make a stronger pitch..."
And we all know...what then happened...
Why of course, the apostle Paul deferred to Unam Sanctam's divinely-inspired wisdom on this matter...and the apostle Paul apologized for...
...(a) calling these other potential leaders "savage wolves"...and stripped all references to "savage wolves" from what would become Acts 20...[kinda like the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association stripping all cult info from its Web site last weekend after Billy Graham met with Mitt Romney]...
...(b) failing to "honor" the competing freedoms of various religious appeals;
...and (c) having "wasted" his time over three years -- daily night AND day time spent issuing "warnings" for three FULL YEARS -- on this matter...
The apostle Paul then turned to God and asked, "Why didn't you send me Unam Sanctam three years ago???"
Colofornian, I hope you live along time, because I’d hate for you to die disappointed.
All your questions could have been asked by Candy Crawley.
“Hypothetically, Mitt, if you hit your wife, why wouldn’t you stop?”
LOL!
“If you want to repeal Obamacare, first you have to remove Obama” — Mitt Romeny
Delph
For all we know Romney may turn out to be the anti Christ, with his god complex, but we haven’t at this time any other indication of this. Romney is basically an unknown as far as how great of damage or for that matter good The LORD may use him to do. Obama, on the other hand, we know is nearly pure, undiluted evil. Give him any more rope and he is exceedingly likely to hang us.
You put down what I wrote, but I still don’t get your meaning. If you would be so kind as to finish your sentence “There is no proof....”, I think that would help me understand what point you are making. Thank you.
Post #327: Is it your assertion that Mitt Romney is not a "god in embryo"??? ... I expect a direct answer to that question
Post #330: Is it your assertion, DU, that...
...it is better to have a first term president who...
...believes the Constitution's authors were “flawed” to the point of ...
...being "corrupt" professors of their faith;
...were 100% "apostate" before God/Jesus Christ;
...and that most of them embraced Christian sect creeds that Mitt and the rest of Mormon leadership regard as 100% an "abomination" before the Mormon god?
ALL: Notice that DU the Mormon ducked these two questions...and is likely to continue doing so...
Mitt Romney is a “savage wolf” to the Christian Koinonia as referred to by St. Paul? If Mitt Romney were to use his position as President to promote or establish Mormonism, I would agree, but he is doing nothing of the sort, and it is slanderous to suggest that he is. Again, if Mormons are proslytizing in the broader society, they are legally free to do so. They are wrong about their religion, but we have a free country, and in this country, the cure to bad speech is better speech. So get out their and evangelize like crazy. Go for it! Prevent the savage wolves from turning Christians away from the true faith. No problem. But that has NOTHING to do with politics. Sheesh. I suppose you want to toss out the US Constitution and establish an Evangelistic theocratic regime? Do you only vote for Evangelicals for office? Is every Evangelical pure as the driven snow and sinless? I suppose you must have voted for George Bush and Jimmy Carter. I don’t know who else would have met your religious test for public office. To say that St. Paul in the Bible is telling us not to vote for Romney, solely because he is a Mormon, and allow someone who may well be a minion of the prince of darkness who wants to turn the US into a state socialist free abortion, free contraception, same sex marriage promoting hell hole, i.e., Obama, I just say that is total nonsense.
Billy Graham endorsed Mitt for crying out loud!
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No he didnt...
Willard went to a Christian pastor AKA as “a hireling of Satan” by the Mormons to ask for a prayer he didnt believe in just for show just for political expediency...
Willard is a temple mormon...
In their secret temple rituals Mormons denounce and mock Christians and pastors as agants of the devil...
Willard is just a bigoted hypocrite ..
As a Mormon, he doesnt even believe the Bible or Christianity...
He doesnt believe in the LORD Jesus Christ as God and Savior...
Willard Mitt Romney is a liar...
This isn’t a theological debate, its a political debate.
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Then theologically its not important...
God is not in it...
Is that what you meant to say ???
Render unto Ceasar
But you seem to like ignoring Gods laws.
Go back to what I already told you in post #295...[Not sure why I am having to retreat the same ground]: I said in that post, "Romney wouldn't even have to do anything. The Mormon Public relations campaign...hundreds of $mllions worth -- would kick into high gear to take advantage of this "Mormon moment."
So I was referencing the Mormon church leadership & missionary force as indeed "savage wolves"; and, yes, Romney belongs to a "savage wolf" sect that pounces on the spiritually vulnerable, and take some from the Kingdom of Light into the Kingdom of legalism.
Per the apostle Paul -- not me -- what "makes" for a "savage wolf?" Well, it's right there in the Acts 20 passage I highlighted in my last post (see vv. 29-30): They do/will "...not spare the flock. 30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth.../u>"
Therefore, bottom-line, "savage wolves" are truth-distorters -- cultists -- who by means of distorting Biblical truth, wind up ensnaring the flock.
Sounds like the Mormon church's 55,000 missionaries to me. Oh...and guess what? The Lds church just decided to lower its required minimum age requirements for missionaries: For men, from age 19 to 18; for women, from age 21 to 19. Guess what that means? Well, the Mormon church, in anticipation of a Romney victory...is shooting for 100,000+ missionaries in 2013 and beyond.
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