Posted on 09/17/2012 4:31:09 AM PDT by wesagain
A research article posted on the website of terrorist-turned-Christian Walid Shoebat contends the oldest known references to the Islamic deity Allah are not in Arabian records but in Babylonian artifacts.
Ancient tablets describe “Alla” as a deity of “violence and revolution.” “This link sheds new light since for many years we have been hearing various ideas on where Allah came from. Christian and Muslim scholars – as well as secular professors – presented numerous arguments on just who Allah really is,” wrote Ted Shoebat, the son of Walid Shoebat.
In his heavily footnoted project, he writes that historians have suggested Islam’s beginnings are found in the Persian religion Zoroastrianism, while others, including Christian writers, argue Allah was a moon-god in Babylon.
The younger Shoebat, who already has published several books, said previously the oldest known reference to “Allah” was in northern and southern Arabia about the fifth century B.C., according to Kenneth J. Thomas.
The new find, however, links the name to....
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
I know there are historians who think the concept of Satan came from the Zoroastrians but beyond that, I’ve never heard suggestions of other influence.
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Mohammad borrowed a lot, from several religions.
there is definitely other things from Zorastrianism.
for example, the narrow bridge that must be crossed,
after death.
and some things, are hard to attribute, because Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians, share many concepts.
(and none of them, terrorize and behead those of other faiths...)
Radical islam has a lot in common with Obama’s communist “Black Liberation” theology. It also advocates violence and revolution.
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there is no “Radical Islam”.
there is only Islam.
the Quran itself, commands Muslims, to do jihad,
and SPECIFICALLY to “terrorize” and kill, unbelievers.
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Islamists are not misunderstanding Islam.
they are simply following the clear teachings of it!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2932033/posts?page=3#3
Sura (8:12) - “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Ibn Ishaq: 992 - “Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.”
“but then a couple centuries later, a corrupted version of scripture arose from the desert that would plague us for at least 1400 years (and counting).”
Speaking of the Koran?
it’s also interesting to note,
that Muhammad apparently didn’t learn of Christianity from Orthodox sources. Instead, it must have been Gnostics.
much of Islam includes Gnostic beliefs.
example, that Jesus wasn’t killed on the cross,
but was removed first. That comes from Gnostic texts.
Leastwise that's what the white folks do ~ the Middle Easterners may do something else.
It's like the Spring festival where everybody eats eggs taken from the recently arrived birds from the South. What a relief from dried fish and dried reindeer meat.
Later on, when the great herds return to their winter quarters, Herb Woman will appear bringing you every sort of seed and fruit (that the subarctic regions can provide).
Your women will focus on the four household goddesses ~ who have names so similar to those of the Dravidian people it's uncanny.
Jesus wasn't inserted into the old time religion in that region until the 1500s, so he's a somewhat late arrival to those folks ~
wow -- in which calendar? Do you know that the Gregorian and Julian calendars are pretty much later than Tammuz?
and did you know that we don't celebrate Tammuz' birth but rather Christ's?
I don't know what you celebrate, but Christians for 2000 years have celebrated CHRIST's birth
Furthermore, Tammuz's birth was not celebrated by the Sumerians, rather they celebrated him as the change of seasons -- so Dec 21 would be the death of Tammuz with the winter solstice
don't believe all the rot your pastors teach!
Point taken. I was just trying to distinguish between the aggressive/violent members of the 'religion' and the basically passive ones.
This is so incredibly stupid it's impossible. Easter is only used in English and modern German. And you know that English is a relatively new language, right?
This betrays the fact that many look at things from an English language view and forget that in other languages, Easter is not called "Easter". In Latin languages it is Pasqua etc. derived from Passover while in Slavic languages it is Wielkanoc (Great Night) etc.
The Latin term for Easter is Pascha showing straight away that the statement is wrong
One should also point out that In Romantic languages, the word for Easter is based on Pesach, the Hebrew word for Passover, which Jesus was celebrating at the time of his execution. And the Romantic language speakers have been celebrating Easter far longer than the English.
only in the German/English languages is it called Ostern or Easter
Even in Danish and Norwegian it is called påske , in Swedish påsk, in Estonian it is lihavõtted in Finnish pääsiäinen in Dutch it is called Pasen -- so your entire post is utterly wrong as you're just looking at it from an English perspective
You do realise that Modern English only dates from the 1600s and prior to that it was Latin then French that was the official language, right? Hence even the English celebrated Pascha
You do realise that High German was the liturgical language only post the 1500s and prior to that it was Latin, right? hence the Germans celebrated Pascha too
you forget the black stone of Elagabalus that is right now in the corner of the Ka’aba in Mecca
It was just so WEIRD.
THE MORE THINGS CHANGE, THE MORE THEY STAY THE SAME
Allah was ripped off from pagans. It was a moon god (they still use the crescent moon, the idiots). The koran was ripped off from the Bible. “The prophet” (piss be upon him) was and is a disgusting fraud.
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Still, you can’t beat over 7,000 years of evidence (oldest date for some of the pictoglyphs in the Russian Sapma) ~ see http://www.folklore.ee/folklore/vol47/joy.pdf to bring yourself up to date on what is known of ancient Sa’ami religious practices ~ as they are known.
If what you said in both posts had its basis in fact, and I suspect they do, that’s a fascinating hobby you have there.
As well as the PAAS HAAS
He is the patron saint of tiny little nuclear explosions covered with confetti and extra-hot habenero sauce, held aloft in a pinata made out of plastic explosives and JuJuBees, and the pinata is being sung to by hypnotized laser-eyed Rottweilers that bark, and when they bark, M&M's fly out.
Happy Sam Edmund Botswain's Day!!!!!
It was a quite obvious time for a celebration ~ particularly for that longer days part!
Then there are parts of an anomalous Torah ~ where facts about the past are just flat out different than the standard Torah in use in modern times (last couple of thousand years anyway).
Parts of the Koran are clearly just history ~ of somebody ~ presumably a fellow named Mohammad who may or may not have been a religious reformer.
More recently the Saudi Arabians conducted an enormous archaeological study of the Kaabah ~ the big factoids are it's pretty old ~ predates Islam, and was for the most part a Hindu Temple dedicated to the worship of a sort of snake god ~ who was NOT Krishna ~ yes, there are other snake gods. Shatan worship uses a snake; Satan is depicted as a snake; Moses used a snake; American snakehandlers are pretty much like Methodists theologically speaking, but they use snakes in worship services. That pretty much covers the waterfront.
National Geo covered the archaeological digs.
No, the snake god is not the Moon god.
On the other hand the minaret predates Islam and is the male member of the Earth god. Yup, Arabs had a masculine Earth and a feminine sky. Most others do it the other way around with a feminine Earth and a masculine sky. That, BTW, is one of the more ancient observations ever made about Arabian beliefs.
Regarding calendars, Islam makes use of the lunar calendar ~ so did the ancient Chinese ~ and then there are siderally adjusted lunar calendars ~ none of that turns you into a moslem ~ just screws up Easter and Passover.
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