Posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:52 PM PDT by stpio
Read paragraph #234 of the Catechism and a powerful recent message from Our Lord's mother about the Holy Trinity, given on Trinity Sunday. Look how far we have gone away, we do not have a choice for a Christian leader and so few care.
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Message of Our Lady - Mary, Full of Grace The Advent of the New World - Words of Our Lady THE TIME OF PREPARATION FOR THE PURIFICATION OF HUMANITY
June 3, 2012 - Feast of the Holy Trinity
Dear children, today, the day of the Lord, with much love and affection I come to bless you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. United to the Holy Trinity, together we will get the real Peace for the world. My children, the Holy Word of God reveals to you today in this great day when the Holy Church dedicate it to the Holy Trinity that is God. All human beings must submit to the Holy Trinity. They are three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit with the Divine nature, only the Son has two natures, Divine and human. But they have the same Power, absolute Power over all things. They have always existed as They are Eternal. Therefore all men have the duty to love, adore, praise to the Blessed Trinity. So you must understand that this is a mystery of God. Jesus Christ made it clear to His disciples that they take to all people His teaching on obligatory acceptance for anyone who converts, to worship, love and praise the Holy Trinity. He gave this explanation when He told them that was given all authority in Heaven and on earth, and ordered them to make disciples of Him all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He told them to teach them to fulfill the Will of God, as He does so. Jesus Christ also told them that He would be with them until the end of the world. My children, the vast wealth that God distributes over all is this: the opportunity to convert, through faith, the belief that God exists, He is invisible to the eye, but you can feel His presence, are able of Loving, to worship Him and be sure that He is taking care at all times of each of you. With faith you are able to correct your mistakes, walking in righteousness, because He is who gives you the ability to accept what is Real. All this is understood by all those who receive the Baptism, because the Baptism is a Grace that God bestows upon you. From the time you were baptized, were born to life in God. You received the grace of the union with the Father, the Son and the Divine Holy Spirit. Who lives in Him will have help from Him, can achieve great things with the help of Him, above all have the Grace to be able to see his mistakes and correct them, learn to apologize and trust that He forgives, has humility, trying to repair the error with the acceptance and love.
When man falls into error, often feel satisfaction, but there are those who recognize, feel ashamed of the error. It is like if someone is in front of a mirror looking at his beautiful face created by God to be always beautiful, passing through a change that causes horror, a formation caused by the sin. And sin is the destruction, destroys even the appearance of a man. This is known because it can be understood, because you know that the possessed are hideously deformed, which is the devil that enters in the person and makes him a tool to terrorize people, sin takes away the beauty of the sinner. God does not want this to any of His children, He teaches you how to avoid falling into this trap and you must learn as much as possible. To protect you, He gave you the Baptism, that ye might be part of Him. With the Baptism you receive the Light of the Holy Spirit, He gives you the Gifts and valuing them you walk in the safe road. My children, let us thank today to the Holy Trinity for giving you the Sacraments, to give you the opportunity to know the value of your lives, to strengthen you to achieve the Salvation.
Nobody lives without God, is constantly present in our lives because He gave us life. Even those who do not believe in Him have the constant care of Him until the hour of death when they have to decide whether they want the life He offers or not. If they want it, will have to convert and if not, will have no Union with Him, will go to hell. God does not abandon anyone, man is he who turns away from Him forever, because do not to Love Him. God offers the Heavenly Paradise to all, but not everyone wants the Salvation. All generations receive this offer, but are free to accept it or not. My children, meditate in the advice that I give you, love the Holy Trinity and you will have all you need. You will be happy for all the eternity. Get ready for the big day when God will give you a new life, you will live in His Kingdom.
The new life does not mean to born again, but to go through the purification and reach Holiness. You will have the opportunity to undergo a change that only God can do in you, is like iron passing through the fire, so the Sacred Fire of the Divine Holy Spirit will give you this change. You will be pure, all that causes evil on you will be burned and only will remain what God wants in you. Prepare yourselves, it is coming the time to improve your situation in front of God. You will no longer be slaves of the sin, ye will be free, fully of God, that ye are sanctified by Him.
This is what I come to reveal to you today for your conversion. Pray, pray, pray for the Holy Father Benedict XVI, for all the Clergy, for the religious men and women, for all mankind. Pray for the atheists and pagans, never cease to fight for them, praying always. Pray for the Holy Church founded by Jesus Christ, be faithful to God and you will lack of nothing. Trust in what Jesus Christ teaches you, learning you will be victorious. Help to the Holy Father with your prayers, he has a mission so beautiful and you must help him get to the end. The end is near, but is not the end of the world, is the end of a time. I love you much and I cover you with My Mantle of Love. Brazil, Brazil, three times you were called and you are not yet prepared to overcome the time that is approaching to you. Listen to the Voice of God and ask the Light to avoid falling into the abyss. You are called by the Force of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. For all nations have come the warnings, who values, takes care of the soul and gets ready to win. The Holy Trinity is calling constantly.
Now I bless you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world,
Mary, the Immaculate Conception.
You must meditate on the Holy Gospel today: Matthew 28:16-20.
You really don’t understand, Bishop Romney has dedicated his life to defeating Christianity, he has given 10s of millions of dollars of his own money to the cause, it drives his entire life.
Priority is to get Obama OUT of the White House, issues about different faith doctrines can wait.
“I listen to Christmas music all year on Internet radio. I will tell you that when a certain chorus comes up singing the exact words of a Classical Christmas song then I can tell they are not singing in the Holy Spirit by just listening. I will look and it will be The Mormon Tabernacle Choir. They can sing the words of a usually anointed song but not have the Holy Spirit thus no anointing in the song.”
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At Christmas time, me too, I listen to one Christmas hymn sung by the Tabernacle Choir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhVfmp53k8k
I pray the choir, Mitt and all of Mormonism coverts when God shows them.
Earlier in the primaries, when Rick Santorum would speak,
you could hear, feel the presence of God the Holy Spirit
in him. So sad, it came to money, he couldn’t continue.
If they can wait, then why are you on the religion page, in a discussion with someone rebutting your defense of Bishop Romney’s Mormon religion?
You wrote... “Easter blinds us to His commanded Feast days in His Holy Word.”
God did not command the Church (all those who have trusted Christ for salvation) to celebrate the Jewish Festivals or Holy days.
Your post makes the assumption that Christians are commanded to celebrate Jewish Feast or Holy days. If you are going to make that argument, then I would ask you to share where in the New Testament the Church is commanded to do so. I will save you the time of searching. It isn’t there. Nor is the Church commanded to assemble on the Jewish Sabbath. Nor did the Apostles require those things of 1st century Christians.
As to Christmas, I do not care which specific day you choose to celebrate it. I know of no one who celebrates it in a pagan way. Christians I know honor God. Same with Easter. There is nothing pagan about their love of Christ or celebration of His wondrous love, coming to the earth as a sacrifice for our sins. As such, celebrating the birth, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord doesn’t not impugn God’s Word.
It appears you do not wish to celebrate the Lord Jesus Christ in this way. No problem. You are not commanded to celebrate Easter or Christmas as a Christian. Or maybe you’ve never trusted the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation? Maybe you have the idea those who have entrusted themselves to the Lord Jesus Christ are Jewish? We are not.
Between your metaphor category mistake and this stuff, it appears you’ve gotten hold of some bad teaching along the way.
May I ask, do you believe the New Testament is also equally the inspired Word of God, as are the Hebrew Scriptures?
How does YHvH define "church" i.e.Ekklesia ? or What was the purpose of the Ekklesia(church) ? Was it a temporal corporation to rule on earth ? No ! Was it to have a temporal head ? No ! It was a gathering of YHvH's chosen people to hear His Word ? and learn to Fear YHvH all their days ? And to teach their children the same ? Yes. ------------- Ekklesia is from the Hebrew Qahal (kof, hey, lamed) Did Yah'shua celebrate His commanded feasts ? As such, celebrating the birth, crucifixion, death and resurrection If you were familiar with the WORD of G-d Do you believe that you have been called to Seek YHvH in His WORD. Where to start; you have been misled on many issues.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Is it all those called out by YHvH ?
A study of the word "church", in the Koine Greek : Ekklesia.
Was the "church" started at the YHvH commanded
Feast day of Shavuot (pentecost) as some say ?
Did the "church" exist earlier ?
Using the LXX as a guide we see that the Ekklesia
is first used in Deuteronomy 4:10 NAsbU Deuteronomy 4:10 "Remember the day you stood before YHvH, your God
Also see : Deu 4:10, Deu 9:10, Deu 18:16, Deu 23:3, Deu 23:4, Deu 23:9, Deu 31:30,
at Horeb, when YHvH said to me, 'Assemble the people to Me, that I may let
them hear My words so they may learn to fear Me all the days they live on
the earth, and that they may teach their children.'
Jos 9:2, Jda 20.2, Jda 21:5, Jda 21:8, Jdg 20:2 Jdg 21:5, Jdg 21:8, 1 Sa 17:47,
1 Sa 19:20, 1 Ki 8:14, 1 Ki 8:22, 1 Ki 8:55, 1 Ki 8:65, 1 Ch 13:2, 1 Ch 13:4, 1 Ch 28:2,
1 Ch 28:8 (kof => The HOLY ONE
which is haQahal The assembly (hey, kop, hey, lamed)
hey => grace, breath of G-d
lamed => teaching and learning)
In scripture it is always used to describe
those who have been assembled by YHvH.
It begins in Exodus 16:3 ( the bread from heaven )
and continues to Nehemiah 8:17 (living in Booths) NAsbU Nehemiah 8:17
Did Yah'shua repudiate the Tanach
The entire assembly of those who had returned from
the captivity made booths and lived in them.
The sons of Israel had indeed not done so
from the days of Joshua(Yehoshua)
the son of Nun to that day.
And there was great rejoicing.
(or the pejorative term: "old testament")
Did Yah'shua say ignore what is in My WORD ?
they all occurred on YHvH commanded Feasts.
None occurred on Pagan feast days.
be grafted into the vine ?
See: Romans 11
Romney was NOT my first, second, third, or even fourth choice, nor do I have LOVE for any of the Mormon teachings, at the same time a second Obama term WILL BE A DISASTER for the USA.
Hagar means the stranger in Hebrew Ishmael is the son of a stranger. Ishmael is the son of Abram not Abraham.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Tired of the discussion and want to switch it to something else, I understand, but you should post a thread for that.
This thread is about religion and Romney and Obama.
Aha, so non-Trinitarians are fine, like quixotic, eh?
Ok, I don't now anything about this denomination, just saw tB's post.
Justification is major, very, very important but...
Even though the Trinity is a mystery it is the central belief of Christianity of which other Christian beliefs come from because it tells us who God is...
How about this paragraph from the Catechism and the words of St. Thomas Aquinas.
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“I AM HE WHOS IS” (see Exodus 3:13-15). In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, we read that this means God alone IS:
“The revelation of the ineffable name ‘I Am who Am’ contains then the truth that God alone IS. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures and following the Church’s Tradition, understood the divine name in this sense: God is the fullness of Being and of every perfection, without origin and without end. All creatures receive all that they are and have from him; but he alone is his very being, and he is of himself everything that he is” (CCC 213).In the Catechism of the Catholic Church, we read that this means God alone IS:
“The revelation of the ineffable name ‘I Am who Am’ contains then the truth that God alone IS. The Greek Septuagint translation of the Hebrew Scriptures and following the Church’s Tradition, understood the divine name in this sense: God is the fullness of Being and of every perfection, without origin and without end. All creatures receive all that they are and have from him; but he alone is his very being, and he is of himself everything that he is” (CCC 213).
This doctrine is sometimes referred to as divine simplicity, which teaches that God is absolutely simple, and not composed of parts. Thus, His essence is His existence which is His power which is His love (etc.) [1]. This is a doctrine which is taught by the Church (it is a formal de fide doctrine of the Church, ratified in the 4th Lateran Council and the First Vatican Council) and can be found in the thoughts of many of the Church’s saints and doctors. For example, Saint Thomas Aquinas deals with this very early on in his Summa Theologica, dedicating Question II of the First Part to God’s simplicity:
“The absolute simplicity of God may be shown in many ways...there is neither composition of quantitative parts in God, since He is not a body; nor composition of form and matter; nor does His nature differ from His suppositum; nor His essence from His being; neither is there in Him composition of genus and difference, nor of subject and accident. Therefore, it is clear that God is in no way composite, but is altogether simple...
Every composite has a cause, for things in themselves cannot unite unless something causes them to unite. But God is uncaused...since He is the first efficient cause” (ST II.Q3A7).
Saint Thomas says later in that same article that “since God is form itself, or rather being itself, He can be in no way composite.”...
When a tree forks, each fork has the same claim to the trunk. Both Catholics and Protestants can legitimately trace their histories back through the Church Fathers to the Apostles. It is not the exclusive property of the Roman Catholic Church.
“Are these messages “approved” by the local bishop?”
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I don’t know if the local bishop has investigated them. Present day, current private revelation has not been approved or disapproved in part because the events prophesied have not taken place yet and it takes time for approval.
I am not real familiar with Darly Chagas, her message about the Trinity, I do not see anything in it that goes against the faith or other prophetic about the times ahead. The message is simply stated, Heaven usually speaks this way. Private revelation helps strengthen your faith.
One can share the messages from Heaven.
After the canons 1399 and 2318 of the Code of Canon Law were abolished because of Paul VI’s decision in the “Acta Apostolicae Sedis” (Vol. 58, Number 16) dated November 15, 1966, and published on 29th of December of that same year, writings which refer to new publications, manifestations, miracles, etc., are ALLOWED to be published and read, without the expressed permission given by the Ecclesiastical Authority, as long as the General Christian Morals are observed.
Also, let us remember that the Apostle Saint Paul exhorts us: “Do not reject the prophecies; examine everything and keep what is good.” 1st Thessalonians 5,20
I will take that long explanation that has no scriptural support, as your admission that you admit there is no where in the New Testament that commands believers in the Lord Jesus Christ to celebrate Jewish Feasts and Festivals.
You didn’t mention anywhere that the Apostles taught former Gentiles to celebrate the feasts. I will take that as your acknowledgement that it never happened.
Out of all the commandments that are affirmed in the NT, keeping the Sabbath is not one of them.
The only passage from the New Testament - God’s Revelation to the Church - was Romans 11. The purpose of Romans 11 had nothing to do with festivals or feasts. It pointed out God has set aside Israel for the time and has grafted the church into the vine. Never, in Romans 11, does God confuse the two groups. They are always kept distinct and separate. Yet, as I read your posts, you appear to think that Christians are in the first group. God doesn’t think so, according to Romans 11 and the rest of the New Testament.
In short, you have an argument from silence, plus the misuse of the “metaphor” category mistake from earlier.
Jesus Christ formed a church. It is His bride. It has a different roll than the nation of Israel. Those who entrust themselves to the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation are sealed by the Holy Spirit and placed into the Body of Christ - the Church. They are not placed into the nation of Israel.
Somewhere along the way, you picked up a boatload of bad teaching.
I will close with the one thing we appear to agree on:
You wrote, “If you were familiar with the WORD of G-d
they all occurred on YHvH commanded Feasts.”
Agreed. God is fulfilling his Word, as He always does. Christ’s future advent will likely occur on a feast day as well.
Unlike most all churches, Roy actually give people the pathway to salvation. That stillness that is spoken of in the bible. YYou cannot see that now because in your self righeous attitude you look down on such a wise man. It took a Jew to bring salvation...and it took another Joe..Roy..to uncover the simple and right way to pray in the same fashion that Jesus did.
Let your mind be renewed from within it is said in the bible and Roy’s Be Still discovery brings to life in real what many jews only did in a mechical way with the small boxes attached to the forehead. Forgot what they call that. People like you have left real christianity behind for the false God of an intellectualized version of the real thing. I am very happy that I am not in your boat and I am able to actually live out my holy spirit. Sometimes people reallly do not like my honesty, but anyone worth their salt will have enemies.
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
And what was this “simple message” ?
That's becuase it is the "Church of Roy" as opposed to the Church of Christ
Let's repeat a basic Bible lesson:
| 13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. |
this is what Jesus said
Isn't Jesus pretty clear?
Both Protestants and Catholics claim to be the trunk.
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