Posted on 08/27/2012 6:30:52 PM PDT by stpio
Read paragraph #234 of the Catechism and a powerful recent message from Our Lord's mother about the Holy Trinity, given on Trinity Sunday. Look how far we have gone away, we do not have a choice for a Christian leader and so few care.
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Message of Our Lady - Mary, Full of Grace The Advent of the New World - Words of Our Lady THE TIME OF PREPARATION FOR THE PURIFICATION OF HUMANITY
June 3, 2012 - Feast of the Holy Trinity
Dear children, today, the day of the Lord, with much love and affection I come to bless you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. United to the Holy Trinity, together we will get the real Peace for the world. My children, the Holy Word of God reveals to you today in this great day when the Holy Church dedicate it to the Holy Trinity that is God. All human beings must submit to the Holy Trinity. They are three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit with the Divine nature, only the Son has two natures, Divine and human. But they have the same Power, absolute Power over all things. They have always existed as They are Eternal. Therefore all men have the duty to love, adore, praise to the Blessed Trinity. So you must understand that this is a mystery of God. Jesus Christ made it clear to His disciples that they take to all people His teaching on obligatory acceptance for anyone who converts, to worship, love and praise the Holy Trinity. He gave this explanation when He told them that was given all authority in Heaven and on earth, and ordered them to make disciples of Him all nations, baptizing them in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. He told them to teach them to fulfill the Will of God, as He does so. Jesus Christ also told them that He would be with them until the end of the world. My children, the vast wealth that God distributes over all is this: the opportunity to convert, through faith, the belief that God exists, He is invisible to the eye, but you can feel His presence, are able of Loving, to worship Him and be sure that He is taking care at all times of each of you. With faith you are able to correct your mistakes, walking in righteousness, because He is who gives you the ability to accept what is Real. All this is understood by all those who receive the Baptism, because the Baptism is a Grace that God bestows upon you. From the time you were baptized, were born to life in God. You received the grace of the union with the Father, the Son and the Divine Holy Spirit. Who lives in Him will have help from Him, can achieve great things with the help of Him, above all have the Grace to be able to see his mistakes and correct them, learn to apologize and trust that He forgives, has humility, trying to repair the error with the acceptance and love.
When man falls into error, often feel satisfaction, but there are those who recognize, feel ashamed of the error. It is like if someone is in front of a mirror looking at his beautiful face created by God to be always beautiful, passing through a change that causes horror, a formation caused by the sin. And sin is the destruction, destroys even the appearance of a man. This is known because it can be understood, because you know that the possessed are hideously deformed, which is the devil that enters in the person and makes him a tool to terrorize people, sin takes away the beauty of the sinner. God does not want this to any of His children, He teaches you how to avoid falling into this trap and you must learn as much as possible. To protect you, He gave you the Baptism, that ye might be part of Him. With the Baptism you receive the Light of the Holy Spirit, He gives you the Gifts and valuing them you walk in the safe road. My children, let us thank today to the Holy Trinity for giving you the Sacraments, to give you the opportunity to know the value of your lives, to strengthen you to achieve the Salvation.
Nobody lives without God, is constantly present in our lives because He gave us life. Even those who do not believe in Him have the constant care of Him until the hour of death when they have to decide whether they want the life He offers or not. If they want it, will have to convert and if not, will have no Union with Him, will go to hell. God does not abandon anyone, man is he who turns away from Him forever, because do not to Love Him. God offers the Heavenly Paradise to all, but not everyone wants the Salvation. All generations receive this offer, but are free to accept it or not. My children, meditate in the advice that I give you, love the Holy Trinity and you will have all you need. You will be happy for all the eternity. Get ready for the big day when God will give you a new life, you will live in His Kingdom.
The new life does not mean to born again, but to go through the purification and reach Holiness. You will have the opportunity to undergo a change that only God can do in you, is like iron passing through the fire, so the Sacred Fire of the Divine Holy Spirit will give you this change. You will be pure, all that causes evil on you will be burned and only will remain what God wants in you. Prepare yourselves, it is coming the time to improve your situation in front of God. You will no longer be slaves of the sin, ye will be free, fully of God, that ye are sanctified by Him.
This is what I come to reveal to you today for your conversion. Pray, pray, pray for the Holy Father Benedict XVI, for all the Clergy, for the religious men and women, for all mankind. Pray for the atheists and pagans, never cease to fight for them, praying always. Pray for the Holy Church founded by Jesus Christ, be faithful to God and you will lack of nothing. Trust in what Jesus Christ teaches you, learning you will be victorious. Help to the Holy Father with your prayers, he has a mission so beautiful and you must help him get to the end. The end is near, but is not the end of the world, is the end of a time. I love you much and I cover you with My Mantle of Love. Brazil, Brazil, three times you were called and you are not yet prepared to overcome the time that is approaching to you. Listen to the Voice of God and ask the Light to avoid falling into the abyss. You are called by the Force of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. For all nations have come the warnings, who values, takes care of the soul and gets ready to win. The Holy Trinity is calling constantly.
Now I bless you in the Name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, the Mother of Jesus Christ, the Savior of the world,
Mary, the Immaculate Conception.
You must meditate on the Holy Gospel today: Matthew 28:16-20.
According to the Apostle St. Paul, the core tenet of the gospel is expressed in the historical events “by which you are saved”, outlined in very specific terms without theological speculation in 1 Corinthians 15. It’s not at all difficult to follow. (and yes I am a “trinitarian.”)
You do raise a good question about if Heavenly Mother is a God that we should worship in the same manner as the other three, and as best as I can tell the answer to that is "it hasn't been revealed to us" at this time. Who knows, maybe you are right, and the Mormon pantheon includes four worshiped Gods.
The right will be sucked into becoming the foot soldiers of mainstreaming and rationalizing Mormonism.
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The guy running for president with an R by his name is a Mormon. How much more in the mainstream can Mormonism get?
“Yah’shua is quoted in Peter’s book written down by Mark: “
Of course Peter does. We call him God the Father. Unfortunately, you do not seem to value the rest of what is said in the NT.
We now have additional revelation.
The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God.
PLUS, as you noted, there is just one God, so we know there are not three Gods. There is one God who is three persons. These, as I pointed out, are not metaphors, since they appear physically, speak, act etc. when more than one is present. You have serious category mistake of logic in that argument. I leave you to work it out with further thought.
I will set aside your insult about pagan holidays.
It tells me more about the kind of theology you’ve gotten exposed to.
Christ’s birth as Messiah, is worth celebrating. Why would you not celebrate the first Advent of Messiah?
Christ’s crucifixion, death and resurrection that secured eternal life for those that believe is absolutely worth celebrating. Do you not value what He accomplished enough to celebrate it?
And of course, the Lord’s Day is always worth celebrating. Are you stuck back in the world of Judaism, unaffected by further revelation? You might as well be stuck in Genesis without accepting the prophets.
If you don’t celebrate or honor those, I would question whether you clarity about who the Lord Jesus Christ actually is, or what He accomplished.
In either case, you can choose to believe as you will. God is big enough to continue to work in your heart to reveal more of Himself to you. He did this to me.
blessings to you in your path
“Re: Mormons and multiple Gods - it is no secret that Mormons do not subscribe to the extra-Biblical definition of a single Trinitarian God.”
TP, The New Testament teaches that God the Father is God, Jesus Christ is God, the Holy Spirit is God. The most important passage in the Hebrew Scriptures teaches there is one God. This rules out multiple gods, as mormonism teaches.
“And while the “plan of salvation” according to Mormon doctrine suggests a infinite number of “Gods,” there are only three Gods that Mormons have any dealing with in this “state of probation” as we may call our earth life.”
And yet, this is in contradiction to the absolutely irrefutable teaching of the Bible that there is just ONE GOD. Never more.
“God the Father, God the Son (Jesus Christ, our Savior) and God the Spirit (or more commonly called the Holy Ghost). Mormons consider them separate entities, that is true, and that does disagree with orthodox Christianity’s definition of the Trinity in the creeds, so yes, Mormons are not orthodox Christians. But these three are the only ones considered to be “worshiped” as Gods by Mormons.”
And yet, TP, mormonism does teach they are separate gods in opposition to the clear, absolute and irrefutable teaching of the Bible. The issue isn’t whether mormonism is orthodox or non-orthodox. The issue is that mormonism is a heresy that violates what the Bible clearly speaks of. It perverts the revealed nature of God. It makes him into less than God. It makes him into an man made idol.
“You do raise a good question about if Heavenly Mother is a God that we should worship in the same manner as the other three, and as best as I can tell the answer to that is “it hasn’t been revealed to us” at this time. Who knows, maybe you are right, and the Mormon pantheon includes four worshiped Gods.”
I can be much clearer for you TP, in love.
There is NO Heavenly Mother/s. Nor is celestial sex required. Nor does God require fellowship from any other. He is complete in Himself. He doesn’t create spirit children first. It is all heresy - completely made up and in opposition to the revealed nature of God.
If God is omnipotent, then He is more powerful than any other. The Bible teaches God is omnipotent. The second you add another god, you either invalidate the first as God, and you begin to speak of God in a way that is in opposition to the revealed Word of God, the scriptures.
There is just one God. There is no other. God, in opposition to every false polytheistic religion of the nations surrounding Israel, speaks the truth. He alone is God. There is no other. He alone has existed from all eternity - outside of time. He had neither a beginning or end. He has never had a point where He was less than fully God. Same for Jesus Christ. Same for the Holy Spirit.
I wish you the best “Tadpole”.
Likewise, Revelation 3 teaches that we can granted Christ's throne, in the same way He was granted the Father's throne. This makes much more sense if they are separate Gods.
I know, there are many references that suggest a Triune God. I am just saying there are as many that suggest separate Gods. Let us make man in our image, after all.
It seems to me that that was the reason for the creeds - to firm up the church's teaching on that subject (and other subjects).
Actually, Romney has devoted his life and his fortune to destroying, and replacing Christianity with the anti-Christian religion of Mormonism.
Mitt has literally served as a missionary going to the home of Christians in an effort to get them to leave Christianity, it is how his cult grows and prospers, it is why Mitt has personally conducted the unwanted baptisms of dead Christians in his cultish attempt to convert them from a follower of Christ, to a follower of Joseph Smith.
Not everyone on the right has succumbed, and started defending and legitimizing Mormonism, to the general public.
IIRC TP, the only one with a body of flesh and bone at the time was heavenly father - Jesus and the holy spirit were still spirit children without a body. So there could be no "our image".
But unlike Obama, WHOM no doubt he has attacked a major Christian faith community early this year with his “Obamacare” regulations, at least Romney is NOT on a WAR against a Christian church.
While I DO NOT AGREE with a good number of Mormon doctrines, at least he is NOT at war with my faith. As a sign of respect, he has a VP running mate who is also Catholic.
TP,
“Re: Bible only supports Trinity (”clear, absolute and irrefutable teaching”) - as can been seen up-thread, there are plenty of verses that teach something that looks like multiple Gods.”
Not a single verses teaches there are actual, real gods. Many refer to false gods (idols). If you wish to take it verse by verse and talk it through, I’m willing.
“For example, Christ teaches the disciples to be one, even as He is one with the Father. Does He mean they should become one like the Trinity? Or does “one” mean something else here?”
If you read the whole context, you will have your answer. He absolutely did not mean the disciples would become gods. If you want to take this passage verse by verse and talk it through, I’m willing.
“Likewise, Revelation 3 teaches that we can granted Christ’s throne, in the same way He was granted the Father’s throne. This makes much more sense if they are separate Gods.”
This is an assumption on your part. We have already established that the Father is God, Christ is God, the Holy Spirit is God and that there is just ONE GOD. Now, you are using the limitations of human experience and logic to remake God into something that would make sense to that human perspective.
“I know, there are many references that suggest a Triune God. I am just saying there are as many that suggest separate Gods. Let us make man in our image, after all.”
I am willing to discuss verse by verse together.
“It seems to me that that was the reason for the creeds - to firm up the church’s teaching on that subject (and other subjects). “
The reasons for the creeds are self-evident in history. The Church was under attack from heresy from all sides. It had to speak decisively to protect the truth in a way that would make evident what was false. It did an amazing job.
kindest regards
Darly Chagas is a seer from Brazil
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“When you say seer, in what context?”
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Darly is a Roman Catholic messenger. God speaks to the Orthodox and Protestants too. He speaks to their heart, they “hear” in their interior, given a private revelation to share. Sometimes, Our Lord, His mother and the saints have appeared to the prophets, seers.
The loss of faith in these times, God is speaking through His prophets every day.
Newsflash to Cronos...I'm not your trained monkey! You already know that I don't agree with it but I will comment when and where I decide, NOT according to your preference. Quit stalking me, you're being creepy!!!
You are confused, Mitt Romney is in a deep, and devoted, worshipful war against Christ, and all of Christianity, he isn’t fighting it’s influence, trying to drive it from the political and cultural scene, he wants to erase it forever, to literally approach individuals and persuade them one on one to renounce Christ and become Gods themselves.
Obama is the clumsy oaf that we have seen for 2000 years.
Mitt Romney is the seductive serpent whispering in your ear that ‘I too worship your Jesus’, I too am Christian like you’, ‘let me introduce you to the new Jesus’, ‘the new bible’, the Book of Mormon, ‘let me show you how you can become one of many powerful, worshiped Gods, just like Jesus’.
Obama is hostile to Christianity, but the Romneys immigrated to America to destroy it. In 1842 they came to America for the purpose of serving Joseph Smith, during that 170 years, Romney’s line has never wavered from that mission and are perhaps the most powerful family in Mormonism, during that same 170 years, not a one of his line, has served America in uniform, yet they have produced 2 presidential candidates.
Bishop Mitt did not commit to running, until he met with, and received the approval of his Holy Prophet, we can assume that his Bishop father did the same. The Mormon cult has tied millions of dollars towards public relations and recruiting during this presidential run, efforts that will probably accelerate if their Bishop wins.
Both Christmas and Easter are Pagan feastsshalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
created in the fourth century.They both impugn the Holy Word of Elohim.
I will explain with the help of the Word of G-d through the
illumination of the Holy Spirit, who was sent to all mankind
to help us come to Know the Holy Word of G-d.
See: John 14:16; 14:26; 15:26; 16:8The Word of G-d did not create Christmas and Easter.
The creator of the universe did not create these holidays.
They were both created out of whole cloth by men in order
to blind other men to the Word of G-d.Easter was created to blind mankind to the
YHvH commanded Feast of Passover, Hag Matzoh and HaBikkurimThese Feasts were celebrated by Yah'shua when he gave new meaning
to the Afikomen and the third cup of passover wine.
All was done within the original metaphor of His commanded Feast day.The Feast of hag Matzoh is when all leaven is removed.
Leaven is a metaphor of sin as it puffs up.
Yah'shua removed all sin from those who would call on His NAME.
His NAME is Yah'shua, which means YHvH is my salvation.Yah'shua rose from the dead on His commanded Feast of HaBikkurim.
HaBikkurim is His commanded Feast when the First of the Barley
harvest is presented to YHvH at the Temple.
See: 1 Corinthians 15:20Easter celebrates none of this: the Holy Word of G-d.
Easter impugns the Word of G-d.
Easter blinds us to His commanded Feast days in His Holy Word..
Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.
Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.
This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.
Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His Name:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is become my salvation)).Exod. 15:2; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:47;
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:
σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwellEight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.
After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The Word of Elohim).Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.
Seek the face of the great "I AM" in His Holy Word.
See Psalm 118
8 It is better to take refuge in YHvH Than to trust in man.9 It is better to take refuge in YHvH Than to trust in princes.
14 YHvH is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation.
I will try to keep this short.
You wrote... “Easter blinds us to His commanded Feast days in His Holy Word.”
God did not command the Church (all those who have trusted Christ for salvation) to celebrate the Jewish Festivals or Holy days.
Your post makes the assumption that Christians are commanded to celebrate Jewish Feast or Holy days. If you are going to make that argument, then I would ask you to share where in the New Testament the Church is commanded to do so. I will save you the time of searching. It isn’t there. Nor is the Church commanded to assemble on the Jewish Sabbath. Nor did the Apostles require those things of 1st century Christians.
As to Christmas, I do not care which specific day you choose to celebrate it. I know of no one who celebrates it in a pagan way. Christians I know honor God. Same with Easter. There is nothing pagan about their love of Christ or celebration of His wondrous love, coming to the earth as a sacrifice for our sins. As such, celebrating the birth, crucifixion, death and resurrection of our Lord doesn’t not impugn God’s Word.
It appears you do not wish to celebrate the Lord Jesus Christ in this way. No problem. You are not commanded to celebrate Easter or Christmas as a Christian. Or maybe you’ve never trusted the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation? Maybe you have the idea those who have entrusted themselves to the Lord Jesus Christ are Jewish? We are not.
Between your metaphor category mistake and this stuff, it appears you’ve gotten hold of some bad teaching along the way.
May I ask, do you believe the New Testament is also equally the inspired Word of God, as are the Hebrew Scriptures?
Obama’s words about Jesus shows the ideology that Jesus and Mohammed are in the same nature with the Almighty . Islam traces its lineage back to Abraham through Haggar and her son by Abraham, Ishmael. The Christian biblical account is that these persons were cast out of the tent of Abraham. The Christian lineage goes from Jesus back to David and back to Sarah and son Isach. Sarah was the true biblical wife of Abraham. This difference in lineage is what I believe makes it very improbable if not impossible for Islam i.e. Mohammed and Christianity i.e. Jesus to reconcile faiths as well as relations. As to Mormonism I believe that it is a latter date, i.e. 19th century, of another inspired man to claim similar to Mohammed connection to eternity. So with the three religions two are based on and in some mans vision while one is based on belief in a true documented personage who was before any of the other two.
“Obama is the clumsy oaf that we have seen for 2000 years.”
Not if the sucess of “2016” has proven.
At least Romney is NOT out to “downsize” America the way Obama is doing now.
Are these messages “approved” by the local bishop?
Romney will not declare war against the Christians the way Obama has.
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