I have not given up and I am still praying for a miracle candidate for America - nothing is beyond Him.We're doing the same. Although we probably deserve Romney, you're right, nothing is impossible with God.
Posted on 08/23/2012 8:20:55 PM PDT by delacoert
Edited on 08/23/2012 8:26:36 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
In recent decades the Republican Party has made a person’s religious beliefs an issue for election to political office, despite the First Amendment to the Constitution explicitly forbidding this.
For the Republicans, that requirement is a person must be a Christian. Mitt Romney has chosen staunch Roman Catholic Paul Ryan as his running mate. That should help divert some of the concern about Romney himself being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints — a Mormon.
There has been debate, including in The Herald-News’ OpenLine, about whether or not Mormons are true Christians. Most people don’t know what Mormons believe, so I thought I would publicize some of their basic precepts, all of which can be easily confirmed.
Mormons believe that “God” created multiple worlds with people living on them. Multiple gods exist but each has its own universe. All people existed as pre-mortal spirit children of God and are then physically born on this earth and are subject only to our specific “God.” If you follow God and his law (the precepts of the LDS Church) you can reach the highest level of heaven and become a “God” also.
Our “God” was a mortal on another planet who reached this highest level and became “God.” He had a mortal wife who also became a “Goddess.” He physically had sexual relations with Mary and Jesus became mortal from his spirit life as the eldest son of “God.”
Mormons recognize God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, but all three are not one substance but completely different beings forming one “godhead.”
They feel the early Christian Church became corrupted by pagan influences at the Council of Nicea. The Church was finally “restored” through appearances by God, Jesus and some of the apostles to Joseph Smith, beginning in 1820 at age 14. (Smith and his mother and father all believed in “visions, prophecies and folk magic.”) Joseph Smith viewed himself as the “prophet” of God who spoke to the people through him. The LDS still has a “prophet” who can have visions from God and announce new Church beliefs, such as the acceptance of African Americans into the “priesthood” in 1978.
Further beliefs: When people die, the “spirit” is separated from the body and either goes to “spirit heaven” or “spirit prison” waiting for the second coming; Jesus appeared to the people of America after his resurrection; and God, Jesus, and “resurrected beings” have bodies of flesh and bone.
They believe there is no salvation outside the LDS Church, there is no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet, and Satan originated the idea that belief in Jesus Christ alone is all that is needed for salvation.
Mormons believe the entire world must be converted to Mormonism, and they proselytize aggressively.
The final item is their belief in “temple garments,” often referred to as “Mormon underwear.” These are worn day and night, and are required to be worn to enter a temple. They are believed to be a constant reminder of the LDS covenant with God and are a “source of protection from evil.”
These are some of the beliefs of Mitt Romney, the man who would be president; beliefs he does not want to discuss. What do you think?
And we are screwed!
“What a boring and tiresome debate!”
“What is the purpose of raising this issue over and over again? I think it is silly to not vote for Romney solely because of his religion.”
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I agree 100%.
The future of America is at stake. Anyone stupid enough to cast a vote for the Communist Muslim-loving 0bama (write-in, third party or by staying home) will be responsible for the “tranformation” he promised. It ain’t gonna be pretty when our freedoms are disolved under 4 more years of his Socialist rule.
As I’ve stated at least 100 times, I’m no fan of Mitt, but this time I’m voting for the ‘lesser of the two evils’ and that is Mitt Romney.
ABO in 2012!!
Hey I understand. I believe in Christian liberty, so I’m not going to beat any Christian up for taking a different view. My view may be wrong, but I’m leaning on my understanding of Scripture, not my own philosophy that sounds right to my fallen ears. I’ll keep praying about what God would have me do.
I’ll point out a few more things. First, the original Greek word used by Paul for minister is the same for both types of ministers. Second, I don’t think Romney meets the standards God set out for Israel’s leaders in the Old Testament either because he’s a fundamentally dishonest man. Many on the right have sudden amnesia where Romney’s integrity is concerned.
As I said, I’m not going slam Christians who support him but I cannot support him in good conscience. I’m done settling for lesser evils. I should have made the same stand with McCain.
Last thought: This universe isn’t in human hands, it’s in the Lord’s. Scripture is clear that God is absolutely sovereign and He does reign over the whole world. The Lord does not change. And Christ is seated at His right hand, ruling and reigning today. Acts 2:32-35, Heb.10:12, Eph. 1:20, 1 Pt. 3:22. He is now functioning in his high priestly ministry Rom.8:34; Heb. 4:14-16, 7:24-25.
All things are under His rule and control, and nothing happens in this Universe without His direction or permission. He is a God Who works, not just some things, but all things after the counsel of His own will (see Eph. 1:11). God’s purpose is all-inclusive and is never thwarted (see Isa. 46:11). Nothing Takes Him by Surprise
“It is not merely that God has the power and right to govern all things but that He does so always and without exception.” - John Piper
God determines whatsoever comes to pass:
Proverbs 16:1, 4, 7, 9, 33; 20:24; 21:1, Jeremiah 10:23, Lamentations 3:37, 38, Amos 3:6, Acts 17:26-27, Daniel 2:21; 4:35, Psalm 139:16, Ephesians 1:11, Romans 11:36 John 3:27, Job 12:9-10; 14:5
God is sovereign over (ordains) evil, sin, and calamity (Obama) without ever being guilty of wrong:
Isaiah 44:18; 45:7; 19:2; 63:17, Job chapters 1 and 2; especially Job 1:11-12, 21-22; 2:3, 10 and Job 12:9-10; 42:11, Psalm 105:25, Exodus 4:11, 21; 7:2-4, 13, 22; 10:27 Romans 9:17, 18-23, 1 Kings 22:19-23, 1 Chronicles 21:1 with 2 Samuel 24:1, 2 Thessalonians 2:11, 12, Genesis 45:5-8; 50:20, Revelation 17:17; 13:5; 13:7, Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:27, 28, Luke 22:22, John 13:27-31; 19:11
I think everyone would agree YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD TO BE OF THE SAME RELIGION, RIGHT? Anyone think different? Does that make sense? Mormons used the Christian bible, changing it to fit their new religion, so of course you will see similarities. BUT as I said before, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN THE SAME GOD TO BE OF THE SAME FAITH, RIGHT? otherwise Muslims could call themselves Christian because they believe in Abraham and other things in our bible. ONLY Christians and Catholics (Christian a break-off of the Catholic faith) believe in the Trinity: God the Father, GOD THE SON, and God the Holy Spirit.
Mormon believe they are gods (I'm not criticizing, but stating a fact) They believe in lessor gods and greater gods depending on your works and the amount of money you can give supporting your church....They do believe that man came from another planet, so do Muslims, but mormons don't try to say they are Muslims, probably because that religion is so unpopular in the US. So why try to link yourself to Christians, because we are mainstream. Maybe not for long, as you see the hated of Christians from the left and even some here on FR. Bottom line, we believe in two different Gods. Oh, and believing Jesus is their savior, but not God, still gives us two different Gods.
Vote ROMNEY/RYAN!
Vote Republican Congressmen and Senators!
(Spread the word)
To me it would be hard to argue that Presbyterians are are not Christian but to allow queers to hold the priesthood and lead congregations, to me, that is not following Christ. Then perhaps the closest church to THE Christian church, (namely Roman Catholic church) is the Episcopal church who now has queer bishops. If Episcopal and Presbyterians are Christian then I say the heck with it let the Mormons be Christian, they are a lot closer than either of the others.
I don,t know how many times Lucifer was mentioned in scriptures but i am only familiar with one place and it seems to me since the prior words were spoken to the king of Babylon, possibly King Nebuchadnezzar that i think it is hard to determine just who Lucifer is, or was he anything at all but a nickname for the king.
It appears to me that it was just Gods way of chiding the king of Babylon, the king was going to do this and the king was going to do that but he ended up not going any where.
I wonder if we are are making a big name where Lucifer is concerned where there may not be any reason.
Just a thought.
I realize that some Mormons are called Christian. I had hoped for Sarah Palin, but really a Mormon would be better than the Muslim we’ve got.
I'm still voting for Romney for President. There is nothing in his religion that would prevent him from carrying out the duties of that political office.
I have not given up and I am still praying for a miracle candidate for America - nothing is beyond Him.We're doing the same. Although we probably deserve Romney, you're right, nothing is impossible with God.
What a ridiculous thing to say. The Constitution forbids an explicit government-applied religious test, not that parties can't have standards and nominate whoever they want based on them.
For the Republicans, that requirement is a person must be a Christian.
This is also a ridiculous statement for the simple reason that "who is a chrstian" is an incredibly complex issue, because every chrstian sect has its own definition of what a "chrstian" is. For the traditional churches it's someone who received authentic chrstian baptism and "practices" chrstianity. For Fundamentalist Protestants it's someone who "knows that he knows that he knows that he knows" that he's "saved." These two definitions are all but mutually exclusive, despite recent ecumaniacal claims that "there's really no difference" and "we all believe the same things."
BTW, although I'm not any kind of agnostic or "deist," it is a simple historical fact that many of our earliest Presidents (J. Adams, Jefferson, Madison, J.Q. Adams, and maybe even Washington himself) were not chrstians by either definition above (Washington is a question mark because he was an active Anglican, though his few statements on religion mention only "Providence," a very amorphous concept).
What if Romney was an agnostic? If so, I don’t think we would be having this conversation.
He may not be an orthodox Christian, but he is much better than a Muslim.
Also, remember that we aren’t picking our church’s next minister, but our next president.
“Regarding the question of whether Mormonism is Christian though, there is no disagreement among the different Christian denominations.”
Naturally if some one does not have the holy spirit how could they be saved, so they (the Pentecostals ) would have to believe they are the only ones who are saved, so being the only ones who really believe in Jesus Christ.
I believe i read something about a religious war in France between the Catholics and protestants that lasted 30years, just to mention one.
Personally i believe that Smith was a false prophet in the worst way, but unlike most i don,t think plural wives had anything to do with it.
Just two things i would like to point out, Christians are not the rulers of this world, Satan is the ruler of this world so why would we insist on a Christian leader?
Reagan was an exception but how many real Christians could weather the storm that will come to them if they become president? how many would even want to be involved in all of the deceit?
Jesus said we would be hated for his namesake which means that it is not likely that many more Christians will even be nominated for president much less elected.
The passage in Romans 13 says:
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience. 6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
This shows that rulers often do not do what is right so i guess Paul was just trying to pacify the authorities, i have always had a problem with that one even though paul makes so much sense in most cases.
No you missed the point. A Christian is saved by belief alone. Nothing else
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Martha said to him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, the one who was expected to come into the world.”
My belief for instance has nothing to do with knowledge, it comes from faith alone because i know nothing.
A Christian is saved by belief alone. Nothing else
James 3:17....something about faith without corresponding works is without merit....
3:18 something like show me faith without works and I will show faith by works.....just saying.
“Yeah, your right, let’s just stick with the Muslim Communist instead. /S”
Which has nothing whatever to do with the subject of Mormonism. It’s not good to pimp your politics every time a difficult subject comes up, just because Mittens happens to be a Mormon and is your Presidential nominee.
“No, he is not a Christian, which is why I will be writing in for Governor Huckabee, a true Christian man.”
If they were running, I could vote for Caesar Augustus, a classical pagan. I could vote for Genghis Khan, a Tengri shaman. I could vote for Cyrus, a Zoroastrian monotheist. All of them were brilliant executives, strong on national defense, built up their nations, and were for the most part benign rulers of those under their authority while being implacable threats to their enemies. None were Christian.
I could not vote for Jimmy Carter, although he asserts he is a Christian, he is a liberal and part of the culture of death.
I could not vote for Bill Clinton, although he asserts he is a Christian, he is a liberal and part of the culture of death.
I don’t vote for those who promote sterile social arrangements and the systematic extermination of our nation’s posterity.
That includes Romney, pagan or not. His record is liberal, and culture of death.
It is the tophet, stupid. It is the damned and bloody tophet. I am not setting my feet on it. You may go to hell in your way, but you are not dragging me with you.
(Stupid is not addressed to SAR. Those to whom it is addressed know who they are.)
“Sorry, that wasn’t my intention. My point is that the Mormons see themselves as Christians, even if no one else does.”
“Chad” Bono sees herself as male.
“I’m done settling for lesser evils. I should have made the same stand with McCain.”
Palin was the lure. McCain was the hook. Not biting this time.
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