[fishtank]

The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.

They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.

They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.

[fishtank]

Name a single nationally known conservative mormon politician.

[EGPWS]

The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

All 0bama has to do is sit back and let the "severly conservative" Romney talk and destroy himself.

[dfwgator]

. The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

They won't have to, their willing sycophants in the media will do it for them.

[CommerceComet]

Who is David Horsey to question evangelicals who question Mormons? Both his cartoons and his political commentaries strike me as being authored by an air-head.

[NEMDF]

I think the 0bama campaign has been waiting until the right time before launching innuendos about the strangeness of many Mormon beliefs. I think the time will be coming, later on, that we will see this hornet's nest stirred up. Simply because it hasn't happened yet does not mean they are not planning to use this.

[greyfoxx39]

WHO are the mormons to claim to be the "only true and living church"?

The Only True and Living Church

By Elder Dallin H. Oaks

Of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles

From an address delivered on June 25, 2010, at a seminar for new mission presidents.

What does it mean that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church?

Our first responsibility and purpose is to testify of Jesus Christ to a world that suffers to know of His divine mission. As my response to that great responsibility, I will speak about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the only true and living Church. In doing so I know I speak against the powerful tide of what is called “political correctness.”

The fashionable opinion of this age is that all churches are true. In truth, the idea that all churches are the same is the doctrine of the anti-Christ, illustrated by the Book of Mormon account of Korihor (see Alma 30). That account was given to teach us a vital lesson in our day.

A revelation given to the Prophet Joseph Smith in 1831, soon after the organization of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, spoke of those who had been given “power to lay the foundation of this church.” The Lord then referred to the Church as “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased” (D&C 1:30).

Because of this declaration of the Lord, we refer to this, His Church—our Church—as the “only true Church.” Sometimes we do this in a way that gives great offense to people who belong to other churches or who subscribe to other philosophies. But God has not taught us anything that should cause us to feel superior to other people. Certainly all churches and philosophies have elements of truth in them, some more than others. Certainly God loves all of His children. And certainly His gospel plan is for all of His children, all according to His own timetable.

So what does it mean that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church?

Three features—(1) fulness of doctrine, (2) power of the priesthood, and (3) testimony of Jesus Christ—explain why God has declared and why we as His servants maintain that this is the only true and living Church upon the face of the whole earth.

1. Fulness of Doctrine

When Jesus Christ was upon the earth, He taught the fulness of His doctrine, which is the plan that our Heavenly Father has outlined for the eternal progress of His children. Later, many of these gospel truths were lost through being diluted by the principles or philosophies then prevailing in the world where Christianity was preached and through the manipulations of political leaders. We call this loss of the fulness of truth the Apostasy.

Many church denominations or philosophies that exist in the world today contain, in greater or lesser measure, truths revealed by God in earlier days, along with a mixture of the philosophies or manipulations of men. We believe that most religious leaders and followers are sincere believers who love God and understand and serve Him to the best of their abilities. We are indebted to the men and women who kept the light of faith and learning alive through the centuries to the present day. We want all who investigate our church from other churches or systems of belief to retain everything they have that is good and to come and see how we can add to their understanding of truth and to their happiness as they follow it.

Because so much had been lost in the Apostasy, it was necessary that the Lord restore the fulness of His doctrine. That began with what we call Joseph Smith’s First Vision.

The fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ begins with the assurance that we lived as spirits before we came to this earth. It affirms that this mortal life has a purpose. It teaches that our highest aspiration is to become like our heavenly parents. We do this by qualifying for the glorified celestial condition and relationships that are called exaltation or eternal life, which will empower us to perpetuate our family relationships throughout eternity.

The doctrine of Jesus Christ, understood in its fulness, is the plan by which we can become what children of God are supposed to become. This spotless and perfected state will result from a steady succession of covenants, ordinances, and actions; an accumulation of right choices; and continuing repentance. “This life is the time for men to prepare to meet God” (Alma 34:32). This is made possible through the Atonement of Jesus Christ and by obedience to the laws and ordinances of His gospel.

The restored gospel of Jesus Christ is comprehensive, universal, merciful, and true. Following the necessary experience of mortal life, all sons and daughters of God will be resurrected and go to a kingdom of glory more wonderful than any mortals can comprehend. With only a few exceptions, even the very wicked will ultimately go to a marvelous—though lesser—kingdom of glory. All of this will occur because of God’s great love for His children, and it is all made possible because of the Atonement and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, “who glorifies the Father, and saves all the works of his hands” (D&C 76:43).

2. Power of the Priesthood

The second and absolutely essential characteristic of the “only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth” is priesthood authority.

The Bible is clear that priesthood authority is necessary and that this authority had to be conferred by the laying on of hands by those who held it. Priesthood authority did not come from a desire to serve or from reading the scriptures. When that priesthood authority was lost through apostasy, it had to be restored by those resurrected beings who had held it in mortality and who were sent to confer it. That happened as part of the Restoration of the gospel, and that priesthood authority, together with the keys necessary to direct its operations, are in this Church and no other.

As a result of our having the power of the priesthood, the leaders and duly authorized members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are empowered to perform the required priesthood ordinances, such as baptism, the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the administration of the sacrament.

The keys of the priesthood, held by our beloved prophet, President Thomas S. Monson, and every other prophet and President of the Church, entitle him to revelation in behalf of the entire Church. This Church is “living” because we have prophets who continue to give us the word of the Lord that is needed for our time.

3. Testimony of Jesus Christ

The third reason why we are the only true Church is that we have the revealed truth about the nature of God and our relationship to Him, and we therefore have a unique testimony of Jesus Christ. Significantly, our belief in the nature of God is what distinguishes us from the formal creeds of most Christian denominations.

The Articles of Faith, our only formal declaration of belief, begin as follows: “We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.” We have this belief in the Godhead in common with the rest of Christianity, but to us it means something different than to most. We maintain that these three members of the Godhead are three separate and distinct beings and that God the Father is not a spirit but a glorified being with a tangible body, as is His resurrected Son, Jesus Christ. Though separate in identity, They are one in purpose.

Joseph Smith’s First Vision showed that the prevailing concepts of the nature of God and the Godhead were untrue and could not lead their adherents to the destiny God desired for them (see Joseph Smith—History 1:17–19). A subsequent outpouring of modern revelation clarified the significance of this fundamental truth and also gave us the Book of Mormon. This new book of scripture is a second witness of Christ. It affirms the biblical prophecies and teachings of the nature and mission of Christ. It enlarges our understanding of His gospel and His teachings during His earthly ministry. It also provides many teachings by which we may know the truth of these things.

We are not grounded in the wisdom of the world or the philosophies of men—however traditional or respected they may be. Our testimony of Jesus Christ is based on the revelations of God to His prophets and to us individually. (See 1 Corinthians 2:1–5; 2 Nephi 28:26.)

So what does our testimony of Jesus Christ cause us to affirm?

Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God, the Eternal Father. He is the Creator of this world. Through His incomparable mortal ministry, He is our teacher. Because of His Resurrection, all who have ever lived will be raised from the dead. He is the Savior, whose atoning sacrifice paid for the sin of Adam and opened the door for us to be forgiven of our personal sins so that we can be cleansed to return to the presence of God, our Eternal Father. This is the central message of the prophets of all ages.

I solemnly affirm my testimony of Jesus Christ and the truth of His gospel. He lives, and His gospel is true. He is the Light and Life of the World (see D&C 34:2). He is the Way to immortality and eternal life (see John 14:6). To me, the miracle of the Atonement of Jesus Christ is incomprehensible. But the Holy Ghost has given me a witness of its truthfulness, and I can rejoice that I can spend my life in proclaiming it.

Priesthood authority had to be restored by those resurrected beings who had held it in mortality. That priesthood authority, together with the keys necessary to direct its operations, are in this Church and no other.

We are not grounded in the wisdom of the world or the philosophies of men. Our testimony of Jesus Christ is based on the revelations of God to His prophets and to us individually.

It's 'cause mormonism is SOO speshul and 52,000 missionaries are sent out EVERY DAY to make this claim to Christians.

None of the claims made in this article are backed by BIBLICAL proof.

[AnTiw1]

Everything in his heart, mind, spirit, and deeds are on the table when our kids and country are on the line.

I think anyone who wants those books sealed is suspect as hell. And that’s the name of that freakin’ tune.

[xzins]

She thinks it's creepy that Mormons comb genealogical records to find people to retroactively baptize into the church -- people who were not Mormons when they were alive and probably would not want to be Mormons if they still were

And this Baltimore Sun writer just used his piece decrying those who oppose Mormonism to bring up the subject.

OF COURSE that will be the way Mormonism will be brought up. They'll always say, "Ain't it awful that Mormons get grief for believing in magic underwear...spirit wives...godhood on their own personal planet..etc, etc."

INDIGNANT, I Say. I'm just indignant that Romney isn't allowed to believe he has 70 spirit wives if that's what he wants to believe.

IOW, it's already started.

[Tennessee Nana]

Well I dont know about anyone else...

But I’m a Christian and I not only question Willie Mitty’s religion of choice, Mormonism...

but I also have the answers...

[SaraJohnson]

Who is the constitution to question Mitten’s Progressive ideology? Who are normal people to question his homo grooming programs and clubs in the public schools? Who are mothers and fathers to question his support to murder babies? Who are property owners to question his watermelon environmental agenda? Sheesh.

That he’s a Mormon is the least of his problems. His real problem is that he embraced humanist liberalism which has no higher authority than his own power and will to answer to. Since he can’t justify himself to decent people based on how he has abused his power when he had it, he’s going to try and make it all about Mormonism.

Bring out the flip flops. The sun is shining on Mittens.

[svcw]

Who or what is mormonism to claim it is Christianity?
Who or what is mormonism to claim the Biblical God was once a man?
Who or what is mormonism to claim the Biblical Jesus was created and not eternal?
Who or what is mormonism to claim that Joseph Smith is greater than Jesus Christ of the Bible?
Christians have every right, as well as anyone else to question: who or what is mormonism?

[Cicero]

Last time around, the lamestream pressed raised the Mormon issue constantly, in an effort to make Evangelicals look like bigots.

My response then was that it was not Romney’s Mormon faith that was the problem—it was the fact that he was a proabortion, pro-gay marriage, high-taxing, big-spending liberal.

That is still true, and even more disturbing political positions have come to light. But I also think his Mormon faith IS a problem.

I’m sorry, I know that there are well-intentioned Mormons in the forum. As a Catholic, I don’t believe in their religion, and they don’t believe in mine, which makes us even at least in that regard.

But I have become a lot more aware that there ARE problems with Romney’s Mormon faith. He belongs by birth to the privileged class of high-ranking Mormons who govern the LDS church, and apparently tell everyone else what to believe. How else to explain that although most Mormons are fairly conservative, they loyally support politicians like Dingy Harry and Mitt Romney, no matter WHAT they say or do?

Romney is winning this primary partly because of the RINO establishment, and the pseudo-conservative talking heads. But he is also winning because the Mormon states are front-loaded, and Mormons have turned out obediently to vote for him in very large numbers—even though he does not represent what I thought the LDS stood for.

I obey my bishop, ordinarily. But not if he violates the known teachings of the Catholic Church. Mormons don’t seem to make that distinction. Dingy Harry is a corrupt, left-wing mobster, but that doesn’t seem to matter to them. And that problem gets much worse with Bishop Romney, who seems to think he is the promised LDS Messiah. That wouldn’t be so disturbing if they didn’t seem to think so, too.

[Colofornian]

From the article: ...my friend cannot understand why the Obama campaign has not raised the oddities of Mormonism as an issue. It is not going to happen. The Obama campaign gurus are wise enough to know there is nothing to gain by opening up the can of very fat worms that is religion.

#1...It's because religious tension is a can of very fat worms -- to be used as bait by the Dem operatives -- that the can will be worth opening wider & wider (the Sun's columnist's ignorance doesn't know the can's already been culturally opened...shhhh...don't let him in on it til it bops on the nose)

#2...His other point of ignorance is that he's seemingly in the dark about a little thing called informal delegation. Obama doesn't have to publicly say a single thing about Mormonism. Like a man giving the most subtlest of signals to an auctioneer, the MSM has already been unleashed!

(a) The MSM won't be able to overlook it;
(b) Well, when the Democratic operatives are told that they don't even need to make up any lies about Mormonism...that the truth is publicly provocative as is...what operative won't relish that???

[Elsie]

Who are evangelicals to question Mormonism?

Indeed!

They are SO arrogant at times!!!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

 

Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses

, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

 

 

 

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

 

 

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[NoLibZone]

Same as Harry Reid’s.

Suddenly, now, it’s an issue to the left.

LMAO.

[rawcatslyentist]

He is a BABY KILLER.

Does any one question whom he serves?

[MHGinTN]

Horsey is either a fool or working to help little barry bastard commie divide the people into tribes attacking each other. I suspect the latter, so we see how the vermin in meida will be doing the lifting so their little demigod can stand back from the carnage as if innocent. Where are the guillotines ... SERIOUSLY!

[Salvation]

Who are evangelicals other denominations to question Mormonism Catholicism?

[Psalm 144]

What better for a police state in embryo than a godlet in embryo?