Step right up folks!!!
The BoM states quite clearly that Christ was born in Jerusalem, Alma 7:10 . . . .
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It just so happens that Bethlehem is in the suburbs of Jerusalem. Actually from the tiny town of Bethlehem it is 6 miles to the CENTER of Jerusalem. If you are 6 miles from the center of Jerusalem, what town are you in? Jerusalem, exactly.
Go visit the Holy Land and see for yourself. Your argument is lame.
Mormons do not believe that Christ was created by God, they believe that He is (Christ) is eternal, has always existed. Although they also believe that all of us have always existed. They believe that God did create our Bodies and put us into them. They also believe that before we were spirits living with God that we were “intelligences” and that God created our spiritual bodies. These are things that cannot be rationally argued for or against because there is so little information in the scriptures to define these things. I don’t know why they matter but to many I guess they do.
Did Christ lie? Did Christ appear to Paul? If he did did He lie?
Either you misunderstand what the Mormons teach about “after all you can do” or purposely distort it. I think it is one of their most beautiful beliefs. they don’t believe anybody gets a free ticket to heaven just because they speak the name of Christ. They believe that if you have no works you don’t know Christ. The works don’t save you, far from it only the Grace of the Lord and Savior of the world can save you. Mormons know and preach that, I have heard it many times. They believe if you love The Lord you will follow Him. If you follow Him THEN His Grace will be sufficient for you. Conversely they believe that if you turn away you will be lost. That is why they always talk about enduring to the end.
Mormon Temple rituals are for all people. I know that sounds strange but, I’ll try to explain it as best as I can. Mormons believe that all men must be married to go to the highest heaven. They believe that unmarried people can go to heaven or what they call the “Celestial Glory” but that if you are married then you could potentially go to the top. In order to be church married you must be a priest, or a priesthood holder. Also to go to heaven you must be baptized. In the temples they baptize you, ordain you and marry you. It makes no difference if you are a member of the church or not, their goal is to do this for everyone who has lived on the earth. So, either you go ahead and get it done now or wait to have it done for you later. Here is the big deal, remember they really believe this, they also believe that if the work is not done for everybody then none of it is of any value. If every person that ever lived doesn’t have the opportunity then nobody does. What they do for dead people and what they do for themselves is no different. According to them we will all have the opportunity to go to the highest heaven or none of us will.
It might sound strange but it is nothing if not magnanimous.
"For do we not read that God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and in him there is no variableness, neither shadow of changing? And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles" (Mormon 9:9-10).
"Here, then, is eternal life--to know the only wise and true God. And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves--to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done--by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power." - King Follett Discourse
Moroni and Mormon describe God as immutable and unchanging. The KFD shows something else. How can you believe that God is at the same time immutable and changing, that from all eternity he was as he now is, but he somehow evolved from a mere mortal?
If God evolved, Moroni and Mormon are wrong. If God didn’t evolve, the KFD and Joseph Smith is wrong. Which is it?
Mormons believe that Jesus is one of many gods and that Lucifer is his spirit brother. Christians believe that Jesus is the one, true God. Do you not see the difference???
Mormons believe that Jesus was not always a god. They believe that he had to earn his godhood. Christians believe that Jesus is, was, and will always be God. There was never a time when Jesus wasn’t God. Do you you not see the difference??
Go back 2000 years and THEN make your claim.
If you are 6 miles from the center of Jerusalem, what town are you in? Jerusalem, exactly.
WHAT??
If you go six miles from the center of Indianapolis, you're in Speedway!
Step right up folks!!!
And quite humbling; too...
Thanks, I was pretty prescient in prophesying the contortions about the "burbs".Maybe this link's explanation of the differences may prove useful...Was Jesus born "at Jerusalem"?. The problems mormons have is that if they accept one premise about the origins of certain BoM characters, others are torn apart due to the many inconsistencies found therein.
Your comments about the temple, although sincere, aren't relevant. I know what goes on in there, I went through the temple a few times.
The rituals, as performed in the mormon temples are entirely pagan in origin. The proof is irrefutable, but ignored by TBM's and their defenders. Many Masons have stepped forward and identified them as Masonic. There is absolutely nothing Biblical about them, there is absolutely no Biblical support nor for that matter, is there any support to be found in the BoM.
"Mormon Temple rituals are for all people."
No, only those who can pass the "test".
" Mormons believe that all men must be married to go to the highest heaven. "It's actually a "qualifier", it guarantees nothing.
"They believe that unmarried people can go to heaven or what they call the “Celestial Glory” but that if you are married then you could potentially go to the top."
Celestial is the "top", there is also terrestial and telestial. "Degrees of glory", un-Biblical.
" In order to be church married you must be a priest, or a priesthood holder. You mean temple?
"Also to go to heaven you must be baptized. In the temples they baptize you,"No, you are baptized at either a ward or stake bldg. The dead are baptized by proxy, which again, is un-Biblical.
"... ordain you and marry you."
"ordain" to what? The dead do not get ordained to the phood.
" It makes no difference if you are a member of the church or not, their goal is to do this for everyone who has lived on the earth."
Again, un-Biblical.
"So, either you go ahead and get it done now or wait to have it done for you later. Here is the big deal, remember they really believe this, they also believe that if the work is not done for everybody then none of it is of any value. "
Which means they distort the teachings of Christ and the Bible.
"If every person that ever lived doesn’t have the opportunity then nobody does."
And just how will they know they accomplished this "goal"? If they fail, then all of mankind is doomed? Really?
"What they do for dead people and what they do for themselves is no different. According to them we will all have the opportunity to go to the highest heaven or none of us will."
Sorry, not true. Only the most "worthy" will dwell with the mormon god and go on to become a god.
The Bible is clear, there is no marriage in heaven. The Bible is clear, once a man dies, he is judged, there is no "2nd chance". These are obfuscated by the mormons by claiming the Bible "isn't translated correctly".
The mormons believe and teach that their god "created" us by engaging in polygamous relations with "heavenly mother". That much is clear.
"...or purposely distort it."
Much like claiming it "reeks of hatred" simply for disagreeing with mormon theology and doctrine? "Distorting" the purpose or intent of a poster?
I "distort" nothing, I know what I was taught, I know what my wife teaches and I know what our son is being taught.
The women are TOTALLY dependent on their mate calling their SECRET name in order for them to ascend into the celestial kingdom. My wife, does not believe she will go to the celestial kingdom now that I've become an "apostate" in the eyes of SLC. She's worried that she's now going to be "given" to another "worthy" male to be one of his "eternal wives".
What part of this is Biblical? What part of this matches with the teachings of Christ? NONE!
John 6:28-29. Pretty clear to me.
You’re a liar. Would you like to explain LDS inc teaching on ‘eternal progression’? ... This should be an interesting pretzel to read!