Posted on 02/08/2012 3:57:00 PM PST by Colofornian
Brigham Youg University has the largest library of books on Muslims scholars. It has been in the forefront of taking old books and translating them into English and publishing them. The Morman are call themselves the Church of Christ and Latter Day Saints–believing that there are prophets after Jesus Christ. The Mormons are Unitarians and reject Trinity. The LDS position on Islam can be found in an August 2000 article by James Toronto, entitled “A Latter-day Saint Perspective on Muhammad,” from Ensign—the church’s flagship monthly magazine.
In the clearest and most complete elucidation of its position on Muslims, Toronto, the Book of Mormon says that “the Lord has provided spiritual light to guide and enrich [the peoples of the nations’] lives” and that “Prophet Joseph Smith often expounded on the theme of the universality of God’s love and the related need to remain open to all available sources of light and knowledge.” Based on these doctrines, “church leaders continually have encouraged members to foster amicable relations with people of other faiths by acknowledging the spiritual truth they possess….”
The LDS’s Toronto says that “as early as 1855, at a time when Christian literature generally ridiculed Muhammad as the Antichrist and the archenemy of Western civilization, Elders George A. Smith (1817-75) and Parley P. Pratt (1807-57) of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles delivered lengthy sermons demonstrating and accurate and balanced understanding of Islamic history and speaking highly of Muhammad’s leadership.” In fact “Elder Pratt went on to express his admiration for Muhammad’s teachings, asserting that ‘upon the whole,…[Muslims] have better morals and better institutions than many Christian nations.’”
The current LDS First Presidency Statement of 1978 says specifically mentions Prophet Muhammad as one of ‘the great religious leaders of the world’ who received ‘a portion of God’s light….’”
Toronto further elucidates:
“Contrary to Western civilization’s stereotype of Muhammad as a false prophet or enemy of Christians, Muslim sources portray a man of unfailing humility, kindness, good humor, generosity, and simple tastes.” Toronto does find a few points on which Mormons and Muslims disagree—such as “Islamic teachings that deny the divinity of Jesus Christ” and “the need for modern prophets”—but then engages in massive cognitive dissonance by stating that he is grateful to “belong to a church that affirms the truths taught by Muhammad….”
People do die for others all the time in order to try and save them physically, or to preserve their liberty or way of life. Some might say that is a form of blood atonement...but it has nothing to do with spiritual and eternal slavation.
Clearly in society, there are crimes that are committed, murder in particular, where our society demand the death penalty as justice for it...some could say perhaps that is blood atonement I suppose...but it really does not atone, it just renders justice.
Brigham Young did refer to various blood atonement ideas and thoughts he had, but what I just stated in the 1st paragraph about Christ is the doctrine and teaching of the church.
The Journal of Discourses is not recognized or taught of as scripture for the church. It is a historical journal of many of the speeches and lectures those men gave, but they of themselves do not represent the doctrine that the Church espouses or follows. People should check with Church offical representatives and spokesmen and ask as regards these things before they quote those speeches as somehow being the offical doctrine of the church...because more often than not, particularly when quoted to try and find the most outlandish things that those men said many years ago, and to find fault with or tear down the church, they simply are not.
But also in most of those cases, the people doing so are not really interested in what the Church actually teaches, they are more interested in trying to claim fault.
Well, people are imperfect. They say and do imperfect things. Even the best amongst us sometimes. It's why we all need Christ. But, anyone looking can generally find fault and broadcast it as such when they want to tear down or attack anyone else. Happens all the time in politics, business, religion, etc., etc.
As to this quote,
Which have nothing do do with becoming 'gods', for Jesus himself made it clear that there was only one TRUE God.
And yet Christ Himself, in the New Testament in John when praying to His Father for hHis disciples and those that would hear them, indicated that their oneness was exactly what He wanted for His disciples and those whom they teach ("I would that they would be one, even as we are one,")...clearly a oneness in unity and purpose and not that they would meld together into the same body and/or spirit.
This is shown in many other places, like when God the Father and His Son were seen by the martyr Stephen, God on the Throne and Christ on His right hand, next to Him, seperately.
God the Father spoke at Christ's Baptism, the Holy Ghost descended, and Christ was in the water...all three of them seperately at His Baptism, and again at the mount of transfiguaration.
Clearly, the Bible itself amply teaches what the oneness Christ refers to means...clear back to Genesis We can cover this ground again too...but it is clear we differ in interpretation on these points.
Which does not take away from, or lessen Christ's atonement for all of us and our utter reliance on Him and Him crucified.
Again, we can go back and forth (as has been done on other threads) about these docrinal differences, but again I say, Christ is my Savior, His atonement saves and nothing else. Without it we are all lost no matter what else we do.
And again, we should be allied together fighting for the preservation of our Republic on the fundamental moral principles taught by Christ in His gospel about true liberty and how we treat one another.
I am more than willing to do so and hope you and others can see your way clear to do so too. We can beat the amoral liberals, socialists and marxists who beset us, together and with God in Heaven's help, and we can defeat the tyranical fundamental Islamics and other enemies who would inslave us all.
Enemies would divide us and have us nit-pick, divide, and fight each other while they are at, or within the gates. I urge you to work together with good LDS people in uniting and defending our liberty. IMHO, that is what we should be focusing on at this critical stage of our history.
I have said this over and over...and will just leave it at that. Thanks for the conversation.
Yup; like the days before the 'net when few were aware of the hidden things of MORMONism.
Now that the KNOWLEDGE is being disseminated; folks are wising up; both within the LDS religious organization and external to it.
You seem to want to maximize some of the similarities mormons share with Christians when it comes to political matters, but then minimize the differences when it comes to theology.
Politics and the future of our republic will always take second place in importance when it comes to spiritual matters. That is because eternal lives are at stake. People can certainly spend time and energy advancing political causes, but many recognize the greater importance of rebuking false teaching.
Therefore, you shouldn’t be suprised that posters disagree with your theology on a RELIGION forum. Your calls for unity are weak and seem like an attempt to deflect arguements against Mormonism.
The church TODAY does not teach it - but the historic mormon church HAS taught it. For instance tenth Mormon prophet and president Joseph Fielding Smith wrote, "Man may commit certain grievous sins - according to his light and knowledge -that will place him beyond the reach of the atoning blood of Christ. If then he would be saved, he must make sacrifice of his own life to atone - so far as the power lies - for that sin, for the blood of Christ alone under certain circumstances will not avail. Joseph Smith taught that there were certain sins so grievous that man may commit, that they will place the transgressors beyond the power of the atonement of Christ. If these offenses are committed, then the blood of Christ will not cleanse them from their sins even though they repent" (Doctrines of Salvation, 1:135,138 emphasis mine).
Your statement is found invalid Jeff.
Brigham Young did refer to various blood atonement ideas and thoughts he had, but what I just stated in the 1st paragraph about Christ is the doctrine and teaching of the church.
Misstatement again Jeff. Young didn't offer ideas and thoughts - he taught it as doctrine and was sustained by the membership. The fact that the teaching/doctrine was carried by even the 10th prophet shows otherwise.
The Journal of Discourses is not recognized or taught of as scripture for the church. It is a historical journal of many of the speeches and lectures those men gave, but they of themselves do not represent the doctrine that the Church espouses or follows. . . . . . But also in most of those cases, the people doing so are not really interested in what the Church actually teaches, they are more interested in trying to claim fault.
Oh really - plausible deniability. Yet your church teaches-
Words of Our Living Prophets
In addition to these four books of scripture, the inspired words of our living prophets become scripture to us. Their words come to us through conferences, the Liahona or Ensign magazine, and instructions to local priesthood leaders. “We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God” (Articles of Faith 1:9).
You words read hollow Jeff. It isn't hard to go back and read the passages in context and see that the citations are fully supported. It is clear that the church TAUGHT these things as stated in your church's "Gospel Principles". Further they are commanded to teach only true and faithful doctrine at all times.
Well, people are imperfect. They say and do imperfect things. Even the best amongst us sometimes. It's why we all need Christ. But, anyone looking can generally find fault and broadcast it as such when they want to tear down or attack anyone else.
Yet that is exactly what mormonism has attempted since its inception. Yet is it tearing down to expose actual historical doctrinal teachings of your prophets and apostles that today have fallen into disfavor? Is that the excuse for polygamy? Is that the excuse for allowing blacks the priesthood?
And yet Christ Himself, in the New Testament in John when praying to His Father for hHis disciples and those that would hear them, indicated that their oneness was exactly what He wanted for His disciples and those whom they teach ("I would that they would be one, even as we are one,")...clearly a oneness in unity and purpose and not that they would meld together into the same body and/or spirit.
LOL, unity of purpose does not repudiate the doctrine of the Trinity Jeff - as it is a component of it as well. Best you start at the beginning of John - that places the whole book into context.
This is shown in many other places, like when God the Father and His Son were seen by the martyr Stephen, God on the Throne and Christ on His right hand, next to Him, seperately.
Show me specifically that Stephen saw a God of flesh and bone? No, he saw the doxa of God and the relating to the 'right hand' is positional not literal.
God the Father spoke at Christ's Baptism, the Holy Ghost descended, and Christ was in the water...all three of them seperately at His Baptism, and again at the mount of transfiguaration.
Once again, you fail at the scriptures. The Trinity also embraces the three fold expression at the baptism. You sound like your definition is typical mormon misrepresentation of the Trinity as modalism. Not surprising, can't defeat the real thing, misrepresent it. BTW, re read the transfiguration passages again.
Clearly, the Bible itself amply teaches what the oneness Christ refers to means...clear back to Genesis We can cover this ground again too...but it is clear we differ in interpretation on these points.
In your case - misinterpretation.
Which does not take away from, or lessen Christ's atonement for all of us and our utter reliance on Him and Him crucified.
Sorry, mormonism takes away because is lessens the atonement. It is irrefutable that mormonism teaches the atonement doesn't cover all sin - and that mormons are required to live sinless, perfect lives before that atonement can be available. BTW, mormons reject the cross and what it stands for.
We can beat the amoral liberals, socialists and marxists who beset us, together and with God in Heaven's help, and we can defeat the tyranical fundamental Islamics and other enemies who would inslave us all.
Sorry, my God is not the god of mormonism - so we cannot stand on that common appeal. And why join with mormonism - it has produced those enemies of the country like rommney and reid.
The differences I quote have biblical founding and footing. The unity I call for is sincere.
Jesus Christ is my personal Savior. I accept His atonement and grace in my life and teach the same to my family, irrespective of the other differences. I am glad He will be my judge on these matters for He knows my heart.
I try and follow His commandments as He taught, "if ye love me, keep my commandments." an, despite my frailties and weaknesses, try and live as He would live.
There is nothing weak about any of that...you just do not agree with it. And that is fine. The fundamnetal moral values are precisely what I embrace and teach my kids and grandkids, and have done so my whole life long, and are what make us free.
I have found Catholics, Evangelicals, Baptists, Methodists, Lutheramns, and many others who recognize the perils we face and have stood should to shoulder, me with them, and they with me, on numerous occassions, several generated right here oin FR over the years, to unite together, pray together, and face the trials and evils of our day on any number of issues.
When coming together, supping together, praying toggether in the name of Christ for His blessings and help...you know, not a one of us in those instances denied or tried to tear down the fundmental faith in Christ we all shared...and they knew who I was, that I was LDS while we worked together. And we accomplished a lot of good as a result.
I simply ask for people who are willing to do the same. That's all. Your choice...as it should be.
Not every word they speak or write is scripture and considered or taught as church doctrine, it is when they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so...and then the doctrine is distributed by the Church through its leadership to the members who then can, through commen consent, accept it, or voice their objections.
The principle of continuing revelation is something we believe in, and believe that the Lord can speak to us today through that avenue as Paul taught that His church was made up of, "Apostles anbd Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone"....and, as He said, we would need that avenue "until we all come to a unity of the faith, to a perfect man." It is clear that we are not there yet...thus our belief in the need for it to be restored and continue.
Are there things in Gospel Principles that the Church does teach as its doctrine? Yes. Are there things in there it does not? Also, yes.
There is not misrepresentation or deception here...you seem eager and more than happy and willing to, in essence, call me a liar. Well, I deny it categorically and God will be the judge between us.
The difference is in interpretation...and that is what you are doing when you speak of the modal and doxa, and say it is figurative and not literal. But Stephen said what he said. Sort of like the 2nd amenment to the Constitution...I believe it's really pretty straight forward to anyone reading it...but you see it differently and that does not make either one of us a liar or misrepresenting anything.
I have not implied ar said that you were lying or trying to decieve anyone, Godzilla...simply that I do not agree with you and cited the reasons why. Others will decide as they will.
No need for futher discussion on this...it is clear we disagree and that you are not really interested in hearing what we really believe as I have tried to explain it to you as one who has been active in it for over 40 years...other than your desire to try and "prove" whatever I say about it as wrong.
Well, you'll never prove faith my friend...it is of the heart and born through the witness of the Spirit.
And that's fine...I pray God and Christ's blessing on you in your walk, wherever and whenever you sincerely try and bring others to Him as He would direct you and as He would do. I will go about doing the same.
But trying to imply that somehow Romney or Mormons in general are going to placate and be sympathetic to our enemies in the fashion that Obama is, is simply not true.
Uh, how is that relevant to an anti-Mormon thread? Doncha know Mormons are the same as Muslims? I saw it cut-and-pasted ad nauseum on FR. It’s gotta be true!
Is a sarc tag even necessary? lol!
It has nothing to do with my feelings. I merely pointed out there are significant differences between the theology of mormonism and historic Christianity. No Christian denomination accepts mormonism within Christendom, and throughout its history mormonism openly admitted it was vastly different from historic Christianity.
Using Christian terminology on your part doesn’t diminish the differences in interpretation. Mormons like you seem to want it both ways. You want to be accepted into mainstream Christianity, while at the same time you want you keep your exclusivity that mormonism is the only organization that knows the truth.
There can be NO spiritual unity between Christiantiy and mormonism, since their respective teachings are based upon vastly different interpretations. If you want political unity, then go spend more time on the political forums.
Jeff, I'm sure you're a tithing Mormon.
How is that relevant to what you just posted?
Because with your keyboard you extend an olive branch...yet with your wallet and bank accounts you join in a Mormon league which slanders the worldwide Christian church!
By parallel...Let's say, Jeff...
...a new church sprung up in your neighborhood.
...and your same-street neighbors were -- to fit your line above -- Catholic, Evangelical, Baptist, Methodist or Lutheran)...
...and this new church added "Revelation 23" to their Bible.
Let's also say some unnamed entities appeared unto their leader, and he reported as part of "Revelation 23": My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were ALL WRONG; and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were ALL corrupt; [Note to All: this in fact "Mormon scripture" -- Joseph Smith 1, vv. 18-19 in the Pearl of Great Price]
Furthermore, the leader of this "newbie church" claimed he was "lay[ing] the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" [Note to All: This is in fact "Mormon scripture" -- Doctrine & Covenants 1:30]
Furthermore, the leader of this "newbie church" claimed that this "Only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth" was the "church of the Lamb of God" -- and he translated an ancient document which said: "Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." [Note to All: This is in face "Mormon scripture" - 1 Nephi 14:10 from the Book of Mormon]
Now let's say that this church grew to 14 million around the world -- and that about 5-6 of million of them tithed to spread the above message into over 100 different languages.
Fact: Mormon "scriptures" bash Christians 24/7 as the "church of the devil" ... a false and dead church...full of "corrupt" professing apostate believers who embrace 100% putrid creeds...
...and they do this in all kinds of languages every hour of every day.
Yet, Jeff, even though your tithe undergirds this 24/7 slander (on Lds.org; in Lds pubs; in Lds curricula) not a concern from you, Jeff? If not, why not? You don't seemingly mind if the Christian church is slandered in such an ongoing way?
So, Jeff...your keyboard speaks one thing; your wallet YELLS another.
And here you come across as someone who values integrity...somebody who integrates values to practices. Why would you give 10% of your lifetime income to an organization that slanders us in such ways? And commits that to hundreds of languages?
Colo, the Church believes that a restoration was necessary because the doctrine had gone wrong. We teach that and believe it. we believe furthermore that that very thing, the Apostacy and falling away, and the Restoration were prophesied of in the New Testament.
Doctrine at an ecclesiastical llevel and at the orgnaizational level is not the same as what people feel in their hearts.
The Church also teaches that there are millions and milliomns of good christian people and people of other faiths all over the world, who are good and seeking the Lord Jesus Christ with their heart, mind, and soul. We respect that and believe that the Holy Ghost and Spirit of Christ can convict any person to Christ. And they do.
We are not seeking to slander anyone, Colo...we are seeking simply to share what we believe to be true...just as you are on all of these threads. So the statement you have made is a two edge sword if I choose to view it that way...that somehow you are the “enemy” and out to get me.
Do some in our Church take the teachings you quote and somehow try and think they are better than everyone else and that other Churches are evil? Yes...but that is not the Spirit of Christ.
I do not view it that way...in fact I seek God’s blessings on you for any and all good you do to bring anyone closer to Christ. Sooner or later, in our faith, any sincere believer in Christ, who seeks after Him and Him crucified will be brought to His full truth.
That is what Christ taught His followers to do.
I believe that...I think you probably believe it to, except of course we each believe that the “truth” lies on our side of the fence.
As I have said before, if Christ appeared on this earth today, I would not only recognize Him but would bow down at His feet and bathe them with my tears...tears of joy and gratitude, and if He lifted my up and said, “Jeff, you need to stop attending the temple, that was all wrong,”...I would do exactly as He says to do.
I would hope, that if, on the other hand, He told you that you should attend the Temple and that the truth had in fact been restored, that you would turn to it. If your faith in Him is sincere...of course you would.
We would both do whatever He indicated.
That time will come. In the mean time, I believe we can each do good and help people come closer to Jesus Christ...and that is not a bad thing, and is what I am committed to doing.
“Do some in our Church take the teachings you quote and somehow try and think they are better than everyone else and that other Churches are evil? Yes...but that is not the Spirit of Christ.”
Since many of your leaders, including your founding prophet, have said that Christian churches are evil do you agree that those same leaders were not speaking with “the Spirit of Christ”?
If so, why do trust anything that those leaders said? Why do you consider them “prophets”?
No, the Gospel Principles is the manual used to teach doctrine to mormons - found on the lds webpage. It has the impress of authority from the GA - and contains the doctrines of the church. Nice try.
Not every word they speak or write is scripture and considered or taught as church doctrine, it is when they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so...and then the doctrine is distributed by the Church through its leadership to the members who then can, through commen consent, accept it, or voice their objections.
So it is allowable for mormon prophets and apostles to teach false doctrines then. Facing the facts though, these prophets and apostles taught and practiced as doctrine those things recorded with the common consent and acceptance by the membership at the time. As shown, these teachings promulgated throughout the church history. It is attempts to hide these truths that are causing mormons to leave the church in droves.
The principle of continuing revelation is something we believe in, and believe that the Lord can speak to us today through that avenue as Paul taught that His church was made up of, . . .
So what are the top three revelations of the current prophet Jeff? How about the top 10 from the previous prophet? Where are the modern revelations spoken of Jeff?
Are there things in Gospel Principles that the Church does teach as its doctrine? Yes. Are there things in there it does not? Also, yes.
Gospel principles is published by the lds church Jeff - do your research. Start here: (cut and paste link)
http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-10-scriptures?lang=eng
The difference is in interpretation...and that is what you are doing when you speak of the modal and doxa, and say it is figurative and not literal.
Again, you claim he saw heavenly father- the scripture is clear he saw the doxa - greek term for 'glory'. I cite modal in the misrepresentation of Trinitarian doctrine common among mormons. Words mean things and those are very specific descriptive words of description. You response reflects ignorance of such things - so your comments on the 2d amendment is also invalid. I suggest you retrace and learn first.
Well, you'll never prove faith my friend...it is of the heart and born through the witness of the Spirit.
Your 'faith' may be sincere - but that only makes you sincerely wrong. Mormonism can be proved and tested - and it comes up wanting - except for those who desire the church to be true rather than the truth.
What they did teach us was that they were equal...all Catholics, Protestants, Hindus, Bahai, Buddhists, Muslims, were all equally damned in the eyes of the mormon god on planet Kolob and equally destined for hell. It was our mission to save as many as possible by leading them into the true faith of dietary prohibition, service (only) to the mormon community, masonic ritual and unfailing obedience to the changing prophecies of deified men...not for hope of heaven and God, but having attained these men's permission to enter heaven (all power in heaven and earth was given to the son of God who lost it when He failed to build His church and was given to joseph smith), but after attaining the highest form of heaven, the mormon cult says that mormon people cast heaven aside like a spurned lover, leaving to transmigrate to the alien planet Kolob where the mormon "god" among many other "gods" makes you a god like them. To clarify: you're a being created by God, you have left heaven to travel to an alien planet to become a god...get it?...in order to have the power to gain subservient female spirits, create your own world, create your own population of worshippers, and if they get the message "right", they are supposed to give unquestioning obedience for a little godhood of their own. Which doesn't sound like a story about a "god" after all, does it. It sounds like the story of someone else who spurned heaven for a domain of his own, and legions to serve him.
"Better to reign in Kolob than to serve in heaven"?
I sense the cobwebs stirring...someone has just woken up.
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)<
Not every word they speak or write is scripture....
Sometimes it's just LECTURES to empty heads...
Yup; and when those 'mere words' are spoken; MORMONism EMBRACES them like they WERE SCRIPTURE...
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
Seem???
Yup; and when someone would like a little peek at the EVIDENCE of this assertion; what is given?
Even ol' Martin Luther managed to come up with 95 things or so...
Christianity KNOWS that False Christs and FALSE gospels will appear, and we KNOW that MORMONism is direct evidence of such that were 'prophesied of in the New Testament'.
And in Christian churches all over the Nation, the deception and heresy of MORMONism is fianlly coming to daylight in thousands of sermons, in thousands of pulpits, in thousands of voting districts.
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