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To: Jeff Head
Gospel Principles

No, the Gospel Principles is the manual used to teach doctrine to mormons - found on the lds webpage. It has the impress of authority from the GA - and contains the doctrines of the church. Nice try.

Not every word they speak or write is scripture and considered or taught as church doctrine, it is when they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so...and then the doctrine is distributed by the Church through its leadership to the members who then can, through commen consent, accept it, or voice their objections.

So it is allowable for mormon prophets and apostles to teach false doctrines then. Facing the facts though, these prophets and apostles taught and practiced as doctrine those things recorded with the common consent and acceptance by the membership at the time. As shown, these teachings promulgated throughout the church history. It is attempts to hide these truths that are causing mormons to leave the church in droves.

The principle of continuing revelation is something we believe in, and believe that the Lord can speak to us today through that avenue as Paul taught that His church was made up of, . . .

So what are the top three revelations of the current prophet Jeff? How about the top 10 from the previous prophet? Where are the modern revelations spoken of Jeff?

Are there things in Gospel Principles that the Church does teach as its doctrine? Yes. Are there things in there it does not? Also, yes.

Gospel principles is published by the lds church Jeff - do your research. Start here: (cut and paste link)

http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-10-scriptures?lang=eng

The difference is in interpretation...and that is what you are doing when you speak of the modal and doxa, and say it is figurative and not literal.

Again, you claim he saw heavenly father- the scripture is clear he saw the doxa - greek term for 'glory'. I cite modal in the misrepresentation of Trinitarian doctrine common among mormons. Words mean things and those are very specific descriptive words of description. You response reflects ignorance of such things - so your comments on the 2d amendment is also invalid. I suggest you retrace and learn first.

Well, you'll never prove faith my friend...it is of the heart and born through the witness of the Spirit.

Your 'faith' may be sincere - but that only makes you sincerely wrong. Mormonism can be proved and tested - and it comes up wanting - except for those who desire the church to be true rather than the truth.

52 posted on 02/09/2012 1:48:29 PM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Sorry, the quotation you cited was from Doctrines of Salvation, written by Joseph Fielding Smith. That was the book he wrote that I was referring to, and not the Teaching Manual, Gospel Principles.

FYI, this is the link to the Gospel Principles Manual lesson on the Atonement. Read it, there is nothing in there about what you cite.

Gospel Principles, The Atonement
http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-12-the-atonement?lang=eng

In addition, it makes it very clear that, “Jesus Christ is the oly one who could atone for our sins.”

...And no, the leaders do not teach false doctrine, because then they would be representing it as doctrine...but, like all of us, they are entitled to their own opinions when speaking or talking outside of their mantel as an Apostle or Prophet when moved upon by the Holy Ghost to speak for the Lord. When they are speaking in that manner, then the doctrine is passed down to the Church as I have indicated earlier.

As I said, these men are not perfect...but they none the less are called of God just as Peter, Paul and others were not perfect but called by Him to accomplish His purposes.

There is no attempt to hide anything here, Godzilla, and unfortunately, that seems to be your starting premise which you are locked doggedly into and insist on pressing by using terms like deception, hide, misrepresentation...in essence teloling lies. When someone starts from that premise, and will not listen to or consider anything someone else says, but is already calculating on how to “prove” it worng, there is little to be gained in discussing anything.

As I have said, my only attempt has been to explain to you what the Church actually teaches as opposed to what you, who not a member of the church, want to tell me and everyone else that the Church teaches based on your own research which seems to start off with that initial premise I mentioned.

BTW, people are not leaving the Church by droves. Statistics indicate that the Church continues to grow throughout the world failry rapidly, although that growth has slowed. But I expect it will continue to grow for the forseeable future.

Again, I’ll close with that...we’ve both made abundantly clear our respective positions.


62 posted on 02/09/2012 2:59:49 PM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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