Not every word they speak or write is scripture and considered or taught as church doctrine, it is when they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so...and then the doctrine is distributed by the Church through its leadership to the members who then can, through commen consent, accept it, or voice their objections.
The principle of continuing revelation is something we believe in, and believe that the Lord can speak to us today through that avenue as Paul taught that His church was made up of, "Apostles anbd Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone"....and, as He said, we would need that avenue "until we all come to a unity of the faith, to a perfect man." It is clear that we are not there yet...thus our belief in the need for it to be restored and continue.
Are there things in Gospel Principles that the Church does teach as its doctrine? Yes. Are there things in there it does not? Also, yes.
There is not misrepresentation or deception here...you seem eager and more than happy and willing to, in essence, call me a liar. Well, I deny it categorically and God will be the judge between us.
The difference is in interpretation...and that is what you are doing when you speak of the modal and doxa, and say it is figurative and not literal. But Stephen said what he said. Sort of like the 2nd amenment to the Constitution...I believe it's really pretty straight forward to anyone reading it...but you see it differently and that does not make either one of us a liar or misrepresenting anything.
I have not implied ar said that you were lying or trying to decieve anyone, Godzilla...simply that I do not agree with you and cited the reasons why. Others will decide as they will.
No need for futher discussion on this...it is clear we disagree and that you are not really interested in hearing what we really believe as I have tried to explain it to you as one who has been active in it for over 40 years...other than your desire to try and "prove" whatever I say about it as wrong.
Well, you'll never prove faith my friend...it is of the heart and born through the witness of the Spirit.
And that's fine...I pray God and Christ's blessing on you in your walk, wherever and whenever you sincerely try and bring others to Him as He would direct you and as He would do. I will go about doing the same.
No, the Gospel Principles is the manual used to teach doctrine to mormons - found on the lds webpage. It has the impress of authority from the GA - and contains the doctrines of the church. Nice try.
Not every word they speak or write is scripture and considered or taught as church doctrine, it is when they are moved upon by the Holy Ghost to do so...and then the doctrine is distributed by the Church through its leadership to the members who then can, through commen consent, accept it, or voice their objections.
So it is allowable for mormon prophets and apostles to teach false doctrines then. Facing the facts though, these prophets and apostles taught and practiced as doctrine those things recorded with the common consent and acceptance by the membership at the time. As shown, these teachings promulgated throughout the church history. It is attempts to hide these truths that are causing mormons to leave the church in droves.
The principle of continuing revelation is something we believe in, and believe that the Lord can speak to us today through that avenue as Paul taught that His church was made up of, . . .
So what are the top three revelations of the current prophet Jeff? How about the top 10 from the previous prophet? Where are the modern revelations spoken of Jeff?
Are there things in Gospel Principles that the Church does teach as its doctrine? Yes. Are there things in there it does not? Also, yes.
Gospel principles is published by the lds church Jeff - do your research. Start here: (cut and paste link)
http://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-10-scriptures?lang=eng
The difference is in interpretation...and that is what you are doing when you speak of the modal and doxa, and say it is figurative and not literal.
Again, you claim he saw heavenly father- the scripture is clear he saw the doxa - greek term for 'glory'. I cite modal in the misrepresentation of Trinitarian doctrine common among mormons. Words mean things and those are very specific descriptive words of description. You response reflects ignorance of such things - so your comments on the 2d amendment is also invalid. I suggest you retrace and learn first.
Well, you'll never prove faith my friend...it is of the heart and born through the witness of the Spirit.
Your 'faith' may be sincere - but that only makes you sincerely wrong. Mormonism can be proved and tested - and it comes up wanting - except for those who desire the church to be true rather than the truth.
In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.
1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.
I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.
Ezra Taft Benson
(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)<
Not every word they speak or write is scripture....
Sometimes it's just LECTURES to empty heads...
Yup; and when those 'mere words' are spoken; MORMONism EMBRACES them like they WERE SCRIPTURE...
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President