Posted on 01/18/2012 7:42:11 PM PST by RnMomof7
CHARLESTON, S.C. – A new furor rocked politically active Christians today as news leaked that the founder of Focus on the Family, Dr. James Dobson, may have cast aspersions on Callista Gingrich, wife of GOP contender Newt Gingrich, at a key moment before evangelicals voted in Texas to support Sen. Rick Santorum in the GOP presidential primary race. The effect of the disclosure on the race, especially on uncommitted Christian voters, is still unclear.
The comment happened at last Saturday’s meeting of influential evangelical leaders who had gathered at the Texas ranch of Judge Paul Pressler to discuss the GOP primary. In the run-up to the first vote, Dobson was praising Karen Santorum, the wife of former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, when he mentioned Callista, as “a woman who was a man’s mistress for eight years.”
“Floored – a startling moment,” was how some of the attendees felt after digesting Dobson’s comments, according to a source that spoke to Business Insider, which first broke the news.
Remainder of article at link
Sure are a lot of glass houses around these parts.
Last time I checked, Newt and his Wife have atoned for their sins and have sought forgiveness in their Church.
Of course, we could just stone them to death like the Muzzies like to do, reelect the Marxist with nothing to lose for the next four years and move on.
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I’m sick of people trashing the Pharisees.
That is why Governor Perry will be the last conservative standing when this is all over. Newt throws red meat out to a SC audience and he's suddenly the "perfect" candidate. If people could look beyond Perry's sound byte gaffs and get to know the real person, they wouldn't have a second thought about who to vote for. I've been with Perry since he announced. After watching this SC interview on Saturday, I was convinced I made the right choice. http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/303710-1
Yes, it is a left wing hate machine. The current cover of Newsweek asks "Why Are Obama's Critics so Dumb?" It is in no way an impartial source. I was just answering the question about where the story originated.
Personally,I am sick of the media going after the Republican candidates' past with a fine tooth comb, while ignoring the damage our current president is inflicting on our country. I am evaluating the candidates on their policy positions. I am not wasting time worrying about a candidate's wife sleeping with someone 3 decades ago.
I’ve not heard much about this so I can’t comment on it. But I do remember the role James Dobson had in the last presidential election. He did serious damage to Fred Thompson’s campaign which disappointed me immensely.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1961546/posts
In that column I identified 43 mistakes made by the GOP since 1984 that have been leading toward the death of the conservative movement. Among those mistakes, I identified Dr. James Dobson’s irresponsible attack on former Senator Fred Thompson (which accused Fred Thompson of not being a Christian) as being responsible for 7 of the GOP’s 43 mistakes on the path to the death of conservatism. In the title and in my column, I coined the term “Dobson’s Choice,” which is a play on words for the common expression, “Hobson’s Choice.”
Per Wikipedia:
A Hobson's choice is a free choice in which only one option is offered. As a person may refuse to take that option, the choice is therefore between taking the option or not; "take it or leave it". The phrase is said to originate with Thomas Hobson (1544–1631), a livery stable owner in Cambridge, England. To rotate the use of his horses, he offered customers the choice of either taking the horse in the stall nearest the door or taking none at all.
In August of 2008 Alan Keyes wrote a column for WorldNetDaily entitled “2-Party System: No Choice But Evil”. Keyes’ column also used the Hobson’s Choice/Dobson’s Choice play on words in a paragraph header (NOTE: I’m not accusing Dr. Keyes of appropriating my idea). Keyes used the term to describe Dr. Dobson’s August flip-flop to endorse and vote for 2008 GOP presidential nominee John McCain.
Prior to McCain’s nomination, Dr. Dobson declared that he could not in good conscience cast his vote for Sen. McCain. He did so in light of the senator’s positions on key issues of moral concern, including his support for embryonic stem cell research and his unwillingness to defend the natural family as the basis for the institution of marriage. Keyes’ column took issue with Dobson’s willingness to abandon an absolutist position on stem cell research. The column was posted on Free Republic by FReeper EternalVigilance at:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2059761/posts
In the discussion thread that followed I responded to a post by FReeper Lakeshark who wrote:
“I think Dobson is as close to a modern day hero as there is. He has done more than most to preserve values in America than anyone I know, and for that I am grateful.”
I responded:
“Dobson is largely to blame for giving us McCain as the GOP nominee. Fred Thompson didn't return Dobson's calls and was slow to make a pilgrimage to kiss his ring, so Dobson signle-handedly removed the only viable conservative in the race by leaking an email that falsely said Fred Thompson wasn't a Christian.”
“Dobson tried to play kingmaker and lost. He killed Thompson's campaign and steered alot of evangelicals with limited politcal acumen to Huckaphony (not a conservative, but probably a devout Christian). Without a good chunk of those polital-novice evangelicals, a conservative cannot beat a well-financed moderate for the GOP nomination.”
“It was a vain and stupid move by Dobson. In addition to taking out Thompson, Dobson also marginalized every evangelical who is also practicing Republican. Country clubbers and moderates within every state and local Republican party have become emboldened by what they see as the dumb and weak evangelical faction and are challenging conservatives on every platform position, down ticket election and party leadership post.”
“Meanwhile, at the top of the ticket, McCain didn't need evangelicals to win the nomination. And he won't consult them when picking his VP. And if McCain should get lucky and win the election in November, you can bet your life savings that McCain will not be employing conservatives in his Administration or consulting them on policy matters.”
“Yep, you're my hero, Dr. Dobson. You have selfishly set the conservative movement back at least 10 years.“
Later in my debate with Lakeshark I remarked:
“Look, there are 2 types of evangelicals - there are some who are active within their state and local Republican parties and integrate their faith into their politics (a group I identify with) and there are those who simply vote and occasionally integrate their politics into their faith. The latter are the larger group. After Dobson's attack, the 'non-political' evangelicals moved largely to Huckabee with the inferred endorsement of Dobson. Without the 'non-politcal' evangelicas Thompson saw he had little chance to win the nomination and quit (although he would have won the Louisiana caucus had he remained in the race 2 days longer).”
"For 'political' evangelicals that left a choice of Stab-the-party-in-the-back McCain, Massachusetts-Mormon Romney, Pro-choice-but-otherwise-conservative Giuliani and Huckaphoney - all flawed candidates that were unacceptable to one or more factions of the party.”
“Giuliani miscalculated the moderate support he hoped to have in Florida and was next out. With Fred & Rudy out, 'political' evangelicals briefly flirted with backing Romney, but grudgingly coalesced behind McCain after doing the calculations and realizing that the 'non-political' evangelicals would never actively support a Mormon and the country clubbers would never support the Rev. Tax Hike Mike.”
“And that's how Dobson stuck the Republican Party with McCain.”
“What really bothers me is that Dobson didn't speak with Fred directly before leaking the 'Fred's not a Christian' email. As the most visible and politically active evangelical voice in America, Dobson should have known better. Maybe Dobson was irritated that Fred hadn't yet made a pilgrimage to kiss his ring like the other candidates who were courting the evangelical vote. Maybe Fred was dumb for not doing it.”
“My only hope is that evangelical leaders learn from the folly of Dobson's choice and make less arrogant and more intelligent choices in 2012 or 2016. Of course, the politicians will adjust and will make a greater effort to court Dobson and others. And I don't know how I feel about that. Part of me really liked the fact that Fred was willing to tell Dobson and the other Pharisees to cram it.”
And now in 2012, we’re here at the same juncture and that political moron Dobson is at it again making the same mistake.
Dobson makes an “off the record” comment harmful to Gingrich (a conservative who could actually defeat the Establishment moderate Romney). Other evangelicals interpret Dobson’s comment as a non-endorsement endorsement of Rick Santorum (an evangelical conservative who is less likely to defeat the Establishment moderate Romney). The most likely result of Dobson’s comment/non-endorsement is the nomination of Mitt Romney.
What will Dobson do for an encore?
Before the eventual Establishment GOP coronation of Mitt Romney – aka the Republican Party Convention – Dobson will wonder aloud whether evangelical Christians can support a Mormon, but not actually state that specifically. That comment will do predictable damage to Republicans and will cause some Evangelicals to either opt-out of the electoral process or drift to a quixotic third-party challenge by nut job libertarian Ron Paul. After Mitt’s nomination, Dr. Dobson will repudiate his non-statement on whether evangelicals could support a Mormon and suggest (but not say directly) that he will indeed vote for Mitt Romney.
Hey, Dr. Dobson – shut your piehole!! Stick to commenting on religion and stay away from politics. You are a political moron and have selfishly set the conservative movement back at least 10 years!!
Yep, it’s 2008 all over again!
Yep, it’s 2008 all over again!
Yep, it’s 2008 all over again!
These people have no business in the dealings of the kingdom of the left hand. They do harm to the cause of righteousness by their rank hypocrisy.
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I totally agree.
After reading that article you linked, my opinion of Rick Santorum just went up! I never considered voting for him, but the fact that he married a woman who herself had not lived a perfect life previously, and together they changed their lives to commit to marriage and family, is not a negative thing. In fact, a story like that one shows that he’s not the “self-righteous, sanctimonious” person people make him out to be.
Now, if Rick himself had been the one living with the abortion doctor, I might see it differently...
Thanks for posting those links.
As an Evangelical, I am surprised at the many Christians who totally discount Newt’s Conversion Experience.
And yet, the forgiveness of past sins is a cornerstone of both the Catholic and Evangelical Religions.
In the Creed, we say “I confess One Baptism for the forgiveness of sin”.
In The Catholic Faith, the adult convert confesses his sin, renounces satan, and states his belief that Jesus died for his sins. The waters of baptism cleanses the new convert, and he is a “New Creature” in Christ.”
The Evangelical Conversion is similar, but the waters of Baptism are considered an outward sign of obedience in response to an inward cleansing. We call it being “Born Again”.
Those who continue to call Newt names are, in effect, casting aspersions upon his Conversion Experience.
Of course, we all get “Blasts from The Past” that come back to haunt us after our conversions. That’s because we live in a wicked world, and there ARE consequences to our (pre-conversion) behavior.
I am just very surprised that Dr. Dobson, whom I have always respected, does not RESPECT Newt’s Confession that he is washed in the Blood of Jesus and REDEEMED.
It bothers me also that he would attack Newt’s WIFE and not Newt himself for adultery.
It is not in line with Christian Belief or Behavior, and I do not understand it at all.
Yeh, I think lots of politicians have moral problems and not just in their personal lives. Well, we all want a clear contrast with Obama, someone who is the opposite of Obama.
Guess we take the bad with the good. Obama has been portrayed as a family man who never cheated. Add that to the list of contrasts and make up your mind which you want to choose.
So was Jimmy Carter.
What the heck did Karen do? I’ve seen allusions to something but no facts.
However, I am not for Santorum.
I’m gonna forgive Newt his private life because I think he can beat the true evil person in the country and I want to watch.
As well they should. this sort of thing hurts someone like Santorum much more than it would hurt Newt. We all know Newt was something of a player.
We all know about bitter, crazy ex-wives.
For this election, I am assuming that Newt found the right woman, found God and found redemption and pray that I am right.
Well, yeah jersey, we did have the perfect package but the voters rejected him ... so now this is what we have left.
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