Posted on 11/23/2011 8:11:14 AM PST by tedbel
Ted Belman. Medved nails it when he says"The answer is that distinctive religious attitudes among Jews play a greater role in shaping voting behavior than ideology, education levels, income, or any sense of ethnic solidarity.[..]
"The voting behavior of American Jews conforms closely to the preferences of the irreligious and the unaffiliated precisely because so many of them are, in fact, theologically unaffiliated.
He goes on to say that Jews "cringe" at the thought of a believer in Jesus Christ becoming President. They will never get in bed with Christ believers no matter how much they love and want to protect Israel. This is in fact visceral for them. Secular Jews have no trouble embracing Muslims, who hate and kill Jews, but don't believe in Jesus Christ.
Will this change? No. Will the GOP change as suggested by Medved? No.
Christians will not understand this reaction because for them JC represents love and all that's good in the world. The Jews have been rejecting Jesus for 2000 years. The reality is that the Jews never accepted that Jesus was the messiah. It was a Christian thing to accuse the Jews of rejecting Jesus as the messiah and thus the Christians set the narrative. The Christians also justified their religion by re-interpreting the scriptures to conform to their developing theology. The Jews see this as historical revisionism or identity theft or conversion (taking someone's else's property and treating it as their own).
Christians will no doubt blame the Jews for their visceral reaction, rather than look to themselves as the cause of it.
Column: How not to win the Jewish vote By Michael Medved
If Republicans hope to draw Jewish support , they must first confront the real reasons Jews vote so differently from other Americans.
(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.com ...
Great observation. In many European countries, they even have “official” religions, and you even see the church supported by the government. In those countries, you will find beautiful cathedrals which still hold weekly services ... and only a small handful of people (usually the old) attend.
I went to Denmark a decade ago, and a church that was magnificent, and would cost close to 100 million to build today, which could easily hold over 1000 per service had thier attendance boards up showing each service over the last week, and the number of attendees per service was less than 30. Yet my host (who was a “member” of that church) had not gone to a service in the last 25 years.
I think you’re far more right than medved!
Exactly right. The stupid secular Jews entrust themselves to the tender mercies of their exterminators Nazis, Communists, and Muslims. Stupid is as stupid does (according to Forrest Gump). It’s bad enough the secular Jews don’t recognize the true enemy, but they want to take everyone else down with them on their political RMS Titanic suicide pact.
Secular Jews may be Jews, but only Orthodox Jews practice Judaism.
I hope chrstian readers of this thread will consider that Orthodox Jews worship not once a month, not once a week, but three times a day throughout their entire lives. And that doesn't even take into consideration the Divine commandments they perform constantly and the blessings they recite as many as one hundred times each day.
Ironically, Judaism is actually a Theocratic religion. Its fullest expression is a national polity in the G-d-given Homeland governed by a system ordained by G-d. Even in the diaspora Jews lived in self-governing autonomous Theocratic communities until the "enlightenment" (and were better off--there were no "secular Jews").
Even today ever Orthodox Jew lives in a sort of invisible Theocratic "hamster ball" that goes whereever he goes. The one and only legitimate concern for Jews is that the host nation and government not attempt to interfere with this internal portable Theocracy. The commitment to absolute religious freedom and secularism for its own sake is not a traditional Jewish value at all, but a creation of the "enlightenment."
They rejected and reject Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh (see 1 Timothy 3:16). They may be children of the flesh, but they are not the "children of the promise" (see Romans 9[:8] and Galatians 3 [all])
Jesus said it clearly in John 8:19
Wow. You mean all you have to do to "prove" something is to quote the "new testament" on it? I suppose all a mormon has to do to prove mormonism (or a moslem to prove islam) is to quote the "book of morman"/koran.
Ain't it a good thing that the "new testament" is "self-evidently true!" [/sarcasm]
That would make more sense if most Jews didn't reject their own scriptures which the chrstians have stolen. In fact, most Jews probably think the chrstian church wrote Genesis.
Medved gets the right diagnosis but the wrong perscription.
Well yes, seeking after the Jewish vote is straining at gnats. They don’t add up to much.
Which is not to say that our party needs to be the “Evangelical Party” in order to attract the votes of Evangelicals.
Conservative ideology should be enough to attract voters from ANY demographic - if they have conservative sentiments to be appealed to.
We don’t need to water down our Conservatism to attract the votes of, for example, Hispanics. Hispanics with first hand experience under Communism overwhelmingly vote for Republicans.
Short memories here: Brooklyn Jews voted Republican just a couple of months ago. Lots of Jews vote Republican. What is this guy talking about? Tons and Tons more of Christians vote Democrat!
I provided the verses to show the essential differences between Christianity and modern Judaism (which doesn't follow/believe the OT).
Here are some more verses you might be interested in:
Do you believe it?
Well put.
I still think his "take" of the Jewish vote will be lower this time.
The question in my mind is whether the 1980 vote can be duplicated ... in that election the incompetent RAT got only 40% of the Jewish vote.
When he read his Bible and it said “Jewish” he translated it as “Texan” and where it said “Zion” he translated it to mean “Waco Texas”.
He was more than just a little bit crazy.
Neither should a Christian need to hide his or her faith in order to appease those who are anti-Christian. The relevant article point is "He goes on to say that Jews 'cringe' at the thought of a believer in Jesus Christ becoming President". The point is that there are Jews who object to a serious Christian being allowed to hold high political office, purely because of his religious beliefs.
For example, Joe Lieberman is very much Jewish. He also was the VP choice for the Dems in 2000. What would be your reaction to a statement like "Evangelicals 'cringe' at the thought of a disbeliever of Jesus Christ becoming President". Would you say that those who hold that attitude have a point which should be considered? Or would you say that they were a bunch of bigots whose views should never be appeased?
I reject the premise.
Many Evangelicals do “cringe” at the thought of a Mormon becoming President - a Jewish person becoming Vice President - not so much.
I think, right or wrong, that sentiment MUST be addressed by any serious political party with an eye towards VICTORY.
The Dem Jewish vote generally goes to more-secular candidate. In other words, between a serious Christian and secular "ethnically Christian", the Jewish vote goes mostly to the latter.
I rephrase the question: should we consider it bigoted for a Jewish voter to reject a candidate PURELY because the candidate is a devout Christian?
No more bigoted than an Evangelical voter rejecting a candidate PURELY for their Mormonism.
And secular Jewish voters tend to vote for LIBERALS. Carter was more overtly religious than Nixon. Who got more votes from secular Jewish voters?
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Do yourself a favor and read the book of Romans Chapters 10 & 11 without interruption.(takes about 10 minutes). Then ask yourself how could a man who was dead before 70 AD could have spoken so matter-of-factly about these things. And how people(of the Pagan world) with no cultural/ethnic/linguistic connections to Israel would respond to his cult/heresy rejected widely by his fellow Jews.
Wonder what was the percentage of Jews voting for Reagan against Carter?
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