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Why don't Jews vote Republican? Its the Jesus Christ
ISRAPUNDIT ^ | Nov 23/11 | Michael Medved

Posted on 11/23/2011 8:11:14 AM PST by tedbel

Ted Belman. Medved nails it when he says
    "The answer is that distinctive religious attitudes among Jews play a greater role in shaping voting behavior than ideology, education levels, income, or any sense of ethnic solidarity.[..]

    "The voting behavior of American Jews conforms closely to the preferences of the irreligious and the unaffiliated precisely because so many of them are, in fact, theologically unaffiliated.

He goes on to say that Jews "cringe" at the thought of a believer in Jesus Christ becoming President. They will never get in bed with Christ believers no matter how much they love and want to protect Israel. This is in fact visceral for them. Secular Jews have no trouble embracing Muslims, who hate and kill Jews, but don't believe in Jesus Christ.

Will this change? No. Will the GOP change as suggested by Medved? No.

Christians will not understand this reaction because for them JC represents love and all that's good in the world. The Jews have been rejecting Jesus for 2000 years. The reality is that the Jews never accepted that Jesus was the messiah. It was a Christian thing to accuse the Jews of rejecting Jesus as the messiah and thus the Christians set the narrative. The Christians also justified their religion by re-interpreting the scriptures to conform to their developing theology. The Jews see this as historical revisionism or identity theft or conversion (taking someone's else's property and treating it as their own).

Christians will no doubt blame the Jews for their visceral reaction, rather than look to themselves as the cause of it.

Column: How not to win the Jewish vote By Michael Medved

If Republicans hope to draw Jewish support , they must first confront the real reasons Jews vote so differently from other Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at israpundit.com ...


TOPICS: Ecumenism; Judaism; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: christ; jesus; jews; republicans
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To: Darren McCarty

Great observation. In many European countries, they even have “official” religions, and you even see the church supported by the government. In those countries, you will find beautiful cathedrals which still hold weekly services ... and only a small handful of people (usually the old) attend.

I went to Denmark a decade ago, and a church that was magnificent, and would cost close to 100 million to build today, which could easily hold over 1000 per service had thier attendance boards up showing each service over the last week, and the number of attendees per service was less than 30. Yet my host (who was a “member” of that church) had not gone to a service in the last 25 years.


41 posted on 11/23/2011 9:16:07 AM PST by RainMan (Newt - after considering all the others, he is our best choice. Gingrich/Palin 2012)
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To: miss marmelstein

I think you’re far more right than medved!


42 posted on 11/23/2011 9:22:34 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: DManA

Exactly right. The stupid secular Jews entrust themselves to the tender mercies of their exterminators Nazis, Communists, and Muslims. Stupid is as stupid does (according to Forrest Gump). It’s bad enough the secular Jews don’t recognize the true enemy, but they want to take everyone else down with them on their political RMS Titanic suicide pact.


43 posted on 11/23/2011 9:26:26 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: tedbel
Gotta disagree with Michael on this one. As far as I'm concerned, if we can get the Orthodox Jewish vote secular Jews can go "tolerate" themselves.

Secular Jews may be Jews, but only Orthodox Jews practice Judaism.

I hope chrstian readers of this thread will consider that Orthodox Jews worship not once a month, not once a week, but three times a day throughout their entire lives. And that doesn't even take into consideration the Divine commandments they perform constantly and the blessings they recite as many as one hundred times each day.

44 posted on 11/23/2011 9:36:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Darren McCarty
Whether the threat is real or not, there's a great worry among the less religious that Evangelicals or to a lesser extent Conservative Catholics (Brownback/Santorum), are going to push for a theocracy.

Ironically, Judaism is actually a Theocratic religion. Its fullest expression is a national polity in the G-d-given Homeland governed by a system ordained by G-d. Even in the diaspora Jews lived in self-governing autonomous Theocratic communities until the "enlightenment" (and were better off--there were no "secular Jews").

Even today ever Orthodox Jew lives in a sort of invisible Theocratic "hamster ball" that goes whereever he goes. The one and only legitimate concern for Jews is that the host nation and government not attempt to interfere with this internal portable Theocracy. The commitment to absolute religious freedom and secularism for its own sake is not a traditional Jewish value at all, but a creation of the "enlightenment."

45 posted on 11/23/2011 9:41:31 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: nonsporting
Modern days "Jews" are not true Jews. (see Romans 2:28-29.)

They rejected and reject Jesus Christ, God manifest in the flesh (see 1 Timothy 3:16). They may be children of the flesh, but they are not the "children of the promise" (see Romans 9[:8] and Galatians 3 [all])

Jesus said it clearly in John 8:19

Wow. You mean all you have to do to "prove" something is to quote the "new testament" on it? I suppose all a mormon has to do to prove mormonism (or a moslem to prove islam) is to quote the "book of morman"/koran.

Ain't it a good thing that the "new testament" is "self-evidently true!" [/sarcasm]

46 posted on 11/23/2011 9:50:58 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: tedbel
The Christians also justified their religion by re-interpreting the scriptures to conform to their developing theology. The Jews see this as historical revisionism or identity theft or conversion (taking someone's else's property and treating it as their own).

That would make more sense if most Jews didn't reject their own scriptures which the chrstians have stolen. In fact, most Jews probably think the chrstian church wrote Genesis.

47 posted on 11/23/2011 9:53:08 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: tedbel

Medved gets the right diagnosis but the wrong perscription.


48 posted on 11/23/2011 9:54:16 AM PST by circlecity
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To: PapaBear3625

Well yes, seeking after the Jewish vote is straining at gnats. They don’t add up to much.

Which is not to say that our party needs to be the “Evangelical Party” in order to attract the votes of Evangelicals.

Conservative ideology should be enough to attract voters from ANY demographic - if they have conservative sentiments to be appealed to.

We don’t need to water down our Conservatism to attract the votes of, for example, Hispanics. Hispanics with first hand experience under Communism overwhelmingly vote for Republicans.


49 posted on 11/23/2011 9:54:54 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: tedbel

Short memories here: Brooklyn Jews voted Republican just a couple of months ago. Lots of Jews vote Republican. What is this guy talking about? Tons and Tons more of Christians vote Democrat!


50 posted on 11/23/2011 9:55:46 AM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Wow. You mean all you have to do to "prove" something is to quote the "new testament" on it?

I provided the verses to show the essential differences between Christianity and modern Judaism (which doesn't follow/believe the OT).

Here are some more verses you might be interested in:

  1. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. (Romans 3:23)
  2. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
  3. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 20:15)
  4. But God commendeth his love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us. (Romans 5:8)
  5. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life. (John 5:24)
  6. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live; And whosever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" (John 11:25,26)

Do you believe it?

51 posted on 11/23/2011 10:14:45 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: allmendream
Well yes, seeking after the Jewish vote is straining at gnats. They don’t add up to much.
Which is not to say that our party needs to be the “Evangelical Party” in order to attract the votes of Evangelicals.
Conservative ideology should be enough to attract voters from ANY demographic - if they have conservative sentiments to be appealed to.
We don’t need to water down our Conservatism to attract the votes of, for example, Hispanics. Hispanics with first hand experience under Communism overwhelmingly vote for Republicans.

Well put.

52 posted on 11/23/2011 10:32:12 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: KeyLargo
Jews will continue to vote for him in huge numbers in 2012.

I still think his "take" of the Jewish vote will be lower this time.

The question in my mind is whether the 1980 vote can be duplicated ... in that election the incompetent RAT got only 40% of the Jewish vote.

53 posted on 11/23/2011 10:44:06 AM PST by freespirited
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To: nonsporting
To me you sound like Vernon Howell aka “David Koresh”.

When he read his Bible and it said “Jewish” he translated it as “Texan” and where it said “Zion” he translated it to mean “Waco Texas”.

He was more than just a little bit crazy.

54 posted on 11/23/2011 10:50:36 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Which is not to say that our party needs to be the “Evangelical Party” in order to attract the votes of Evangelicals.

Neither should a Christian need to hide his or her faith in order to appease those who are anti-Christian. The relevant article point is "He goes on to say that Jews 'cringe' at the thought of a believer in Jesus Christ becoming President". The point is that there are Jews who object to a serious Christian being allowed to hold high political office, purely because of his religious beliefs.

For example, Joe Lieberman is very much Jewish. He also was the VP choice for the Dems in 2000. What would be your reaction to a statement like "Evangelicals 'cringe' at the thought of a disbeliever of Jesus Christ becoming President". Would you say that those who hold that attitude have a point which should be considered? Or would you say that they were a bunch of bigots whose views should never be appeased?

55 posted on 11/23/2011 10:51:36 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Who have Jewish people been able to vote for for President who has NOT been a Christian within the history of this Republic?

I reject the premise.

Many Evangelicals do “cringe” at the thought of a Mormon becoming President - a Jewish person becoming Vice President - not so much.

I think, right or wrong, that sentiment MUST be addressed by any serious political party with an eye towards VICTORY.

56 posted on 11/23/2011 10:54:38 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
Who have Jewish people been able to vote for for President who has NOT been a Christian within the history of this Republic? I reject the premise.

The Dem Jewish vote generally goes to more-secular candidate. In other words, between a serious Christian and secular "ethnically Christian", the Jewish vote goes mostly to the latter.

I rephrase the question: should we consider it bigoted for a Jewish voter to reject a candidate PURELY because the candidate is a devout Christian?

57 posted on 11/23/2011 11:10:13 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

No more bigoted than an Evangelical voter rejecting a candidate PURELY for their Mormonism.

And secular Jewish voters tend to vote for LIBERALS. Carter was more overtly religious than Nixon. Who got more votes from secular Jewish voters?


58 posted on 11/23/2011 11:15:57 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Friend

Do yourself a favor and read the book of Romans Chapters 10 & 11 without interruption.(takes about 10 minutes). Then ask yourself how could a man who was dead before 70 AD could have spoken so matter-of-factly about these things. And how people(of the Pagan world) with no cultural/ethnic/linguistic connections to Israel would respond to his cult/heresy rejected widely by his fellow Jews.


59 posted on 11/23/2011 11:19:03 AM PST by Augustinian monk
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To: tedbel

Wonder what was the percentage of Jews voting for Reagan against Carter?


60 posted on 11/23/2011 12:00:15 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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