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To: nonsporting
To me you sound like Vernon Howell aka “David Koresh”.

When he read his Bible and it said “Jewish” he translated it as “Texan” and where it said “Zion” he translated it to mean “Waco Texas”.

He was more than just a little bit crazy.

54 posted on 11/23/2011 10:50:36 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream
To me you sound like Vernon Howell aka “David Koresh”. When he read his Bible and it said “Jewish” he translated it as “Texan” and where it said “Zion” he translated it to mean “Waco Texas”.

If you were familiar with the Bible you would not be comparing me to David Koresh.

Most people do not read the Bible. Some read "about" the Bible, but don't read it themselves. Far fewer have actually read it all the way through even once. Yet they consider themselves "experts." No scripture is subject to private interpretation. Instead, the Bible must be used to explain itself. In other words no single verse is used to justify bizarre doctrines. Instead a "concert of witnesses" (multiple verses and books in context) must used to inform doctrine.

For example: Who are the "children of promise"? Many people think this is the physical descendants of Abraham. These same people clearly do not read the Bible. Because, if they did, they'd discover the Bible says that the children of promise are NOT the physical descendants of Abraham, but rather those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. This includes both believing Jews and believing Gentiles. Here are a few scriptures that support this doctrine:

"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." (Romans 9:6-8)
Not all who are physically descended from "Israel" (Jacob) are spiritual Israel. Which begs the question: Who is spiritual Isreal?

"Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumscision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith." (Romans 4:9-14)

We discover that true Israel are all those who like Abraham believe God. So, who are the seed?

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (Galatians 3:16)

Paul concludes by saying:

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, the are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Galations 3:26-29)

If one is "in Christ Jesus", then he is a child of the promise. Modern Jews, even religious Jews, are not the children of promise, because as unbelievers they are not in Christ.

But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offense: and whosever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (Romans 9:31-33)

I will conclude with Jesus' own words:

Jesus saith unto them (Scribes and Pharisees), Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken away from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. [And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whom it shall fall, it will grind him to stone.](Matthew 12:42-44)

68 posted on 11/23/2011 2:48:45 PM PST by nonsporting
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