Posted on 09/02/2011 9:07:47 AM PDT by marshmallow
Minneapolis, Minnesota (CNN) –Prior to 2006, few people even knew that then-Minnesota state legislator Keith Ellison was a Muslim. Because of his English name, he said, no one thought to ask.
But five years ago, when he ran for a seat in the United States House of Representatives - a race he would go on to win - word of his religious affiliation began to spread.
“When I started running for Congress it actually took me by surprise that so many people were fascinated with me being the first Muslim in Congress,” said Ellison, a Democrat now serving his third term in the House.
“But someone said to me, ‘Look Keith, think of a person of Japanese origin running for Congress six years after Pearl Harbor–this might be a news story.’”
Though Ellison's status as the first Muslim elected to Congress is widely known, fewer are aware that he was born into a Catholic family in Detroit and was brought up attending Catholic schools.
But he said he was never comfortable with that faith.
“I just felt it was ritual and dogma,” Ellison said. “Of course, that’s not the reality of Catholicism, but it’s the reality I lived. So I just kind of lost interest and stopped going to Mass unless I was required to.”
It wasn’t until he was a student at Wayne State University in Detroit when Ellison began, “looking for other things.”
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Poor sad child.
ah, ain’t they special? They’ve been blessed with too many knocks to the cranial cavity!
My friend, their 'core beliefs' are a moving target, to be renewed, remoulded, changed, modified each morning upon arising as they see fit. Do not despair of not being able to grasp a handful of air. When their doctrines waft about on the breezes of the aftereffects of the Reformation, they are approximately as substantial as an Obama political statement.
Notice that a direct quote was not used, even though we all know Alex's propensity to show off his cybrarian skills? Using a direct quote would have denied him the ability to twist the statements to meet what he sees in them, not unlike his many Rorschach references.
The Catholic Freeper in question clearly states that he recognizes the hierarchy within the Revealed Word that places the words and examples of Jesus above all else and that these actual words and deeds are the context with which all other Scripture and Tradition must be interpreted. I do appreciate, though, how such a thought is anathema to Paulians.
Goody for you. Did it become obvious to you who looks for any excuse to disagree with or criticize Catholics, and did it become obvious how ignorant they were?
Excellent observation. The flock of harpies was a coalition of groups all of whom despised each other, but hated Catholics more.
Yet, as we have experienced in this thread the one unforgivable sin is committed by Catholics who do not turn the other cheek and acknowledge the superiority of their homemade doctrines.
Their 'salvation' is in their novelty. The more and more often they are novel, the more certain they are of salvation.
Excellent observation. The flock of harpies was a coalition of groups all of whom despised each other, but hated Catholics more.
Yet, as we have experienced in this thread the one unforgivable sin is committed by Catholics who do not turn the other cheek and acknowledge the superiority of their homemade doctrines.
Their 'salvation' is in their novelty. The more and more often they are novel, the more certain they are of salvation.
When one Freeper behaves a certain way the opponent will often respond in kind. Very childish. Two wrongs have never made a right.
Mocking is not impressive and doesn't win debates. It's immature - but common in a town square format where posters use spitwads when they have no ammunition.
The debate winners on "open" Religion Forum threads are the ones who realize all of this, ignore mocking altogether and instead present their arguments whether pro or con
Its those darned Catholic kids ignoring her brilliance yet again. It's like the third grade all over again. She will show them. She will join an anti-Catholic group and eat a bug. Then they will all be sorry that they didn't make her the star of the Christmas play.....
You first. And let us know, because we want to see you get fired.
You first. And let us know, because we want to see you get fired.
Didn’t Quix hint around that the world is about to end?
*Scripture taken from the Bible. Ephesians 2:8,9. Author: God. through the Apostle Paul. Time: about 64 A.D. Direct quotes can be used and are encouraged. No copyright laws were infringed upon in quoting this Scripture.
I know the way to Jesus. Asking some hate-filled bigot to show me the way to Him would be completely foolish.
Here's a better question Cronos, since when is it acceptable for you to stalk someone across several threads, which is a direct violation of the Religion Forum rules?
Especially when part of your charge is a blatant falsehood, where you're trying to smear another poster's beliefs by twisting what he's said and explained on numerous occasions. Quix holds to the doctrine of the Trinity (but you know that), holds the idea that "extra-terrestrial aliens" are actually not aliens at all but demons masquerading as aliens (but again, you know that but you want to twist it for some reason to question his sanity and, indirectly, his Salvation) and holds to the "radical" idea that we're currently seeing the formation of the Anti-Christ's government as written about in Scripture. He refers to it as the New World Order, but the idea is the same. But again, you know all this but still persist in twisting his words for your own gain.
All of that has been gleaned by actually reading what Quix has written, not what you or others have written about him. Say, wasn't there a command by a fairly famous Rabbi about not bearing false witness? Can't put my finger on it, but I'm pretty sure He did say something about that, well He did before the Romans crucified Him. Maybe you could look Him up sometime, He's even had a book or two written about His life and times. Check in your library for "Holy Bible", I'm pretty sure that a Catholic Church library would have one of those.
Anyway, I'll readily agree that some of the preachers in Quix's denomination have gotten into territory which is false teaching at the least, but do you really want to be branded by what some of the Catholic Priests have done in the past? I'll agree that Benny Hinn and Jesse DuPlantis are wrong to teach what they've been teaching, but the Inquisition was a decidedly Roman Catholic institution if you'll remember and the last I recalled, killing someone is a far graver sin, even by RCC standards, than what these false teachers are accused of.
Oh, and while I'm at it, what about calling out your own co-religionist MarkBsnr for his anti-Trinitarian statements, such as the one in post 136 where he states the following.
I have read the Koran and have a copy. Here's an even bigger hint: the Jewish OT God is not a Trinity either. He is monotheistic in the exact sense, as is Allah. Islam treats Jesus as holy. Judaism does not.
Seems to me before you talk to someone who's not a part of your own denomination you should clean your own house first.
The Catholic FReeper in question is a male? "He" clearly states something? That's weird. How would you know who I was thinking of? The FReeper I was thinking of comes off as an idle gossipy (1 Timothy 5) female.
Notice that a direct quote was not used, even though we all know Alex's propensity to show off his cybrarian skills? Using a direct quote would have denied him the ability to twist the statements to meet what he sees in them, not unlike his many Rorschach references.
Make up your mind whether you want quotes or not. When I provide quotes and links, you complain that I'm dragging issues from thread to thread. When I don't, you claim I'm deliberately twisting statements. I guess I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't, and unwelcome to darken the doors in a Catholic parish anyway. At least I won't have to worry about burning in Hell, though.
Oops! Should I have provided reference links to those?
No, Quix is a Dispensationalist. He believes, as I do also, that the Church Age is about to end and that Christ will return shortly to set up His earthly kingdom as it is written in the Book of Revelation. Even if this event were to happen tomorrow, which we cannot know due to the nature of the event, we would still have a 1000 year millennial reign before the present Earth would be replaced with the new Heaven and new Earth.
Also, I know you don't wish to speak with Quix but it's common courtesy to ping the person you're talking about.
Is this another one of those "poor, misunderstood Alex" rants? Am I supposed to be impressed and intimidated, 'cause right now I'm not feeling it.
Two wrongs may not make a right, but the first wrong never seems to get the moderator hammer, does it?
Catholics worship Mary. (Wrong#1)
Ptotestants worship Paul. (Wrong #2)
There are two wrongs for you, neither one makes a “right.” But the first wrong, a lie, starts the flames. I know you don’t intervene in doctrine, but my goodness, how many times do people in one church have to say something is a lie before the other church stops lying?
It’s a lie, it’s a lie, it’s a freaking lie, how about the “Mary-Ishtar goddess cult” lie. How many times do we have to read THAT inflammatory post before somebody calls a halt to wrong #1? We might get somewhere on this forum if there were limits set on some of the worst.
Not that I particularly care how stupid the opposition makes itself look. But good grief!
I so wish you could read your statements from my perspective. There is so much you say in that statement that it would actually scare you. Let’s look at a couple of things you said in just that sentence.
1. This is really serious. You just stated that your job is more important then your witness for Christ.
2. You are saying that even though scripture says that if you bid a Muslim “good day” or “God’s speed” you are partaker of his evil deeds and that doesn’t scare you as bad as losing your job.
3. You just said that you fear being a witness for Christ if there is the possibility of a negative consequence so much that you are willing to “partake of their evil deeds” which is condemned by the very God you purport to serve.
That doesn’t even take into account your assumptions. You assume I even have or have ever had a “job” with the threat of being fired. Just to clarify, I have always owned my own businesses and am now retired. And to your question, yes, there have been many I have refused as clients because of the theology.
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