Posted on 08/22/2011 10:38:07 AM PDT by markomalley
There is a time and a place for everything. Mass is time to focus on the Creator, not His creatures.
If you feel they are in sin by dressing immodestly it is your responsibility to bring it up to them, nobody else’s.
You cannot go to the Pastor or Preacher, If you feel one is in sin you must address it with them in private 1st, then 2 or 3 witnesses, then bring it to the Church if it can be resolved. In all cases you may find you are making wrong judgment or they are in sin, If after this it is not resolved the Church should withdraw from them (if they are in sin and refuse to change)and you won’t have the problem any longer.
“Everything is God’s creation, even the fact that women can make men look at them with lust.”
Men and women do regard each other with lust. Does lust contain the elements that will lead to charity, love and careful regard for the other person’s best interests physically, emotionally and spiritually?
Lust is a result of our fallen nature. It is a corruption of love and the desire to join and procreate.
Sex is a fantastic gift to us. Not even the angels have been given this gift. Between a husband and wife sex is a wonderful, playful, enjoyable part of marriage.
Lust reduces what should be joy and love to an encounter, perhaps roommates-with-benefits or a tumble in the afternoon because you wanted sex or had the itch rather than what sexual pleasure was meant to be for humans.
It’s like eating. There’s nothing like a great meal at a good restaurant with family and friends. Christ apparently liked to meet and eat with many people.
Gluttony leads to big fat people and gross habits. The woman in England attempting to read a ton or so is committing a sin, but in our civilization, no one dares mention that word: sin.
What God created is wonderful. What we do with it is corrupts it and turn it into something other.
If you have ever had a sexual encounter or encounters with different women you dated casually, was it because you cared for them or just because they really looked smokin’ hot? (I don’t expect an answer. Just for your own consideration.)
There are “hoochies” and there are “choochies.”
Hoochies are immodest women, often with accompanying low morals.
Choochies are females who dress inappropriately for church, wearing things that might not bring a second glance in another context, but are inappropriate for church wear.
I'm not clear on what, if any, credence Jewish people give to anything in the Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew. I gather it's not much, though ...
Just look in the Holy Scriptures at the definition of sin!
1. “A high look and the plowing of the wicked is sin.” (Prov. 21:4)
2.”The thought of foolishment is sin...” (Prov.24:9)
3.” .....for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.” (Rom.14:23)
4.”Therefore to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” (James 4:17)
5.”Whosoever committeth sin trangresseth also the law, for sin is the trangression of the law.” (1 John 3:4)
6.”All unrighteousness is sin....” (1 John 5:17)
The Apostle Paul gave us a very instructions and warnings, in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34 as to how we take part in “The Lord’s Supper.” He said; “As oft as take the cup, and eat this bread, ye do shew forth the Lord’s death till He come.”
We are warned: “If we eat this bread and drink this cup unworthly, ye shall be guilty of the body and blood of Christ.”
“For this cause amny are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.”
Hebrews tells us; “If we are His children, He chastens us, that we might be partakers of His Holiness. And without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.” (Hebrews 12:3-15)
If they're planning to go somewhere else, afterwards, they can bring along their shorts and change into them after Mass. And if they're wearing a tiny tank top, they can certainly put a short sleeved shirt over it.
I think the author is right; most parents just don't think about it, because no one is telling them what 'appropriate attire' means. Might be a good idea for the Religious Ed. directors to include something about proper dress for Mass in the curriculum for the kids, and pass that information along to the parents. It can be worded in a positive way; the suggestion is to dress as though they're going someplace special, not just down the street to a pool party, and suggestions about what is IMPROPER can be made at that time. Educating the parents will help them choose correctly, and will come as second nature to the kids as they get older.
I don't have a problem with flip-flops or sandals, short sleeved or sleeveless shirts, or even pants or capris on women. I do have a problem with midriff baring, skin-tight tank tops, or short shorts with messages imprinted on the behind on women, or t-shirts with messages like "Coed Naked Volleyball", on men.
Yes, we want the young people in Church, but remember, even Jesus told the parable about the man being invited to a banquet, then getting thrown out, when he was found to be in improper dress. The man wasn't showing the proper respect for the occasion, and neither are the people who come to Mass in all manner of inappropriate clothing.
OK
With regards to Adam and Eve, you're talking about prior to the Fall.
I agree
I didn’t know that about angels. You’re lucky to know so much about them.
Are there degrees of lust, or is it automatically a wallowing experience?
I do not believe in sin, in the context that it is an offence or affront to God. By man’s definition, it seems that almost anything can be a sin.
Yes, I understand the Bible describes many sins. Not all believe the Bible is the actual word of God.
2) If you think that lust is not sinful, you disagree with Jesus of Nazareth. That's your choice, but to call His teachings "man’s definition" more or less takes you out of the category of "Christian". FWIW. Again, your choice.
“Yes, I understand the Bible describes many sins. Not all believe the Bible is the actual word of God.”
In that case, our discussion is moot.
God bless and have a great week.
I call it man’s definition because men actually wrote it.
OK.
Out of curiosity, do you think they quoted Jesus of Nazareth correctly? Do you think they quoted Him at all? Do you think they fabricated the quote? Do you think they fabricated Jesus of Nazareth?
BTW, while there's nothing amiss with "It's wrong because God said so", there is another angle from which to consider the problematic nature of lust. Lust treats its object as a mere thing, to be used for one's personal gratification. It is a perversion of Love, which treats its object as a person to be cherished and built up, and to be a partner in a mutually beneficial relationship. FWIW. If you think it's OK to treat people as things, that's your choice. Others might find it interesting or valuable to know that you harbor that attitude, though.
Nowhere in that verse does the word “scandalize” appear.I believe Jesus says,,whomsever causes one of these little ones to sin,,,Nothing about scandalize.He was twisting Gods word and making up quotes to serve his own argumant.
Just because Adam and Eves attire or lack therof was before the fall doesnt change my question which you failed to answer.Did God see thier attire before the fall proper?And did God create clothing for them after the fall,,for thier benefit or His?They were the ones who said they were naked,,not God.In fact,,He asked them,,Who is it that told you,you were naked?
Does nudity in and of itself cause sin? Is it the viewer or the viewee?
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