the rules for an ecumenical thread are here
Unlike the “caucus” threads, the article and reply posts of an “ecumenic” thread can discuss more than one belief, but antagonism is not tolerable.
when in doubt, only post what you are “for” and not what you are “against.”
Note -- I'm Catholic and while I don't like the language in the WELS statement, I recognize it as a historical viewpoint not their belief today. They disagree with my beliefs as I do with theirs.
Michelle, one may like or not like, but she does not hold to his belief and I would be surprised if this was a regular sermon at her WELS Church
I posted this as an example of media trying to toss anything and everything against a viable GOP candidate. This is in the religion section as I thought this required ecumenism in that we all recognize that we disagree on topics but recognize how much we do agree on
WELS Synod spokesman Joel Hochmuth said in an interview the anti-papal doctrine is "not one of our driving views, and certainly not something that we preach from the pulpit." Hochmuth said he doubts whether many members of WELS are aware of the doctrine, which dates to Protestant Reformer Martin Luther.Bill Donohue, president of the watchdog Catholic League, said he does not believe Bachmann is anti-Catholic
> Columnist Joshua Green asks whether Catholic voters will
> find Bachman’s beliefs offensive.
Yes, of course. I’m sure Catholics will find Bachman’s Lutheranism far more offensive than 0bama’s pro-abortion, pro-homo, pro-Moslem, anti-Christian, anti-business, anti-American positions.
/sarc
Can we criticize Barack Obama for belonging to a racist “Afro-centric” church, and not criticize conservatives who belong to an anti-Catholic church?
We CAN make a distinction between church dogma that is dormant and not embodied in the life of the church. The so-called Reverend at Obama’s church actively engaged in race-bashing from the pulpit, reserving his worst venom for blacks in inter-racial marriages. Do ministers at Bachmann’s church actively engage in Catholic-bashing from the pulpit?
Is this distinction enough?
On the other hand, a few years ago, when the word got out that there was a ban on inter-racial dating at a certain church-based institution in South Carolina, a lot of people started praying that the leaders of this institution would get a word of knowledge on the issue. I might also mention that a prominent black conservative with his beautiful wife, who is from India, and their beautiful children, went there; and, he delivered a powerful speech (sermon?) on Christianity and race. The leaders of the institution did get that word of knowledge. Such in the power of God to transform hearts.
Let us not diminish God’s grace.
Let us use this occasion to prayer for the unity of the church.
If the WELS thinks the papacy is the anti-Christ, the Catholic church also teaches that all non-Catholics are going to hell as one cannot be saved unless a Catholic.
We have differences of opinion, that doesn't mean we despise each other. For those who stop and think about this, it needs to be disregarded.
This is just another “divide and conquer” hit piece. Bachmann must be making more than a few people nervous.
Of course, if she were a liberal Democrat, she could have spent 20 years in a church that regularly preached hatred for America, said she "just never heard that stuff," and get a free pass from the press.
Almost all protestants are anti-Catholic, other than the Episcopalians, in my experience. It isn’t so much in the theology itself as much as the fact that so many sects are built with heretics with an axe to grind. That said, Bachmann’s stances on social issues mesh pretty well with Catholic theology and I don’t see any evidence where she would push an agenda suppressing the Catholic church. As a Catholic, I am not concerned nor do I care what she thinks about the Catholic church. Judeo-Christian morals are Judeo-Christian moral. It isn’t like she is a Muslim.
This is not an endorsement of any GOP candidate at this time.
Bachman was—but no longer is—a member of a Minnesota Lutheran congregation that belongs to the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod. The latter, a theologically conservative group, teaches that the Roman Catholic Church embodies the spirit of Antichrist—
Trent.
I don’t think it matters. Her positions on issues relevant to me as a religious person are satisfactory to me.
I would rather hear the views of Bishops, Archbishops, and Cardinals on this subject.
And I would rather a Michele Bachmann any day over a fruit cake like Nancy Pelosi -- who is CINO -- Catholic in Name Only.
Who cares? Let’s talk about Obama ... the one that wasn’t “vetted” like you are trying to vet Bachman.
The fact that religions and denominations can disagree and believe each other in error, and yet still get along is lost on the Godless/special interest group/Balkanized left.
There are things out there much worse than sharia.
I agree with Mollie Hemingway (whom I know).
I am a Lutheran pastor (LCMS). Yes, the Lutheran Confessions do teach that the pope is the antichrist. He has claimed a position of supreme leadership in the church by divine right; he has deceived millions with his false teaching on justification, the central article of the Christian faith; he has anathematized the true teaching of the gospel; and historically he has claimed power in both civil and ecclesiastical realms. (See, in the Lutheran Confessions, the Smalcald Articles and the Treatise on the Power and the Primacy of the Pope for further explanation.) To the extent that the current popes still do the things described in the 1500s, they continue to fit the bill.
However, that Lutherans regard the pope as the antichrist is a *doctrinal* view, not a political position, and it does not have anything to do with disqualifying a Lutheran from holding public office in the state.
If so, then Bachmann is not much of a theologian, for those are two different questions. One can hold, with the Lutheran Confessions, that the pope is the antichrist, while at the same time acknowledging that there are many good Christians in the Roman church.
Moreover, she has formally withdrawn from the Wisconsin Lutheran parish.
That's disappointing, for I think she has left the Lutheran church to join some goofy non-denom church with weak doctrine and poor practice.
But then, if I vote for her, it won't be for Pastor of the United States. Just President, a lesser office.
almost everyone in Minnesota is anti-Catholic, including many “Catholics”. The state religion of Minnesota is secular socialistic humanism. I love vacationing there, but hated living there.
Are you hip? Cool, man.