Harold Camping's Latest Claim - VANITY

05/23/11 | Self

[WillVoteForFood]

I am currently listening to Harold Camping to see what his response to the lack of rapture would be. His response? The second coming will come on the second date he supplied, which was October 21, 2011, the date he originally stated would be the one after 5 months of suffering on which the world would be complete. His reasoning. He states that God is merciful and based on a letter from someone stated that God would not allow 5 months of continuous suffering and that man could not survive 5 months of wrath.

Disappointing, not surprising, continuing to perpetuate a heresy. A false prophet continues.

[thecabal]

He’s not deluded, he’s a confidence man. Sadly there are those, even after being burned, who will turn back to him. Because they can’t bear the thought that they have been suckered by a fraud.

[Jonty30]

I am an SDA.

Our viewpoint is it is another title that Christ had. In Bible times, they took names and titles very seriously back.

And Christ had a pre-existing form, which means He also had a pre-existing name.

My arguement is that Michael is His name from eternity.

It’s not simply the name of an angel, for not even Lucifer could fit the profile of One who is like God and there is no more important messanger than God himself.

[Jonty30]

And callous.

[LibertyLA]

You are exactly right on that.

My sister has a tinge of calvinism and she is driving my nieces and nephews away from Jesus constantly - I have to do damage control from whatever nutty thing she says.

It’s this crazed legalistic theology - much as the pharisees believed - that drives people away from what is good. Just as Camping with his legalism and crazed harsh interpretations drives people away. It just isn’t christianity at all.

[Jonty30]

The JW’s are different though. They believe that Christ is created, whereas my church preaches that Christ is separate from the father, but still fully God.

I have no problem with agree to disagree. I’m not here to argue about differences or to try and convert people to my point of view.

[Alex Murphy]

Ping to read later

[Caipirabob]

Dang, forgot to carry the 2 AGAIN...

[I still care]

That was exactly what he said when he was wrong the first time.

When God didn’t come on that first day in 1994, he said God was being merciful and was coming but a few months down the road.

This man’s great tragedy is he is totally unteachable and arrogantly stubborn. He was probably the dad from hell.

[LibertyLA]

Again - that statement about the great commission is logical which is what I try and ascribe to.

I don’t worry about any of us being exactly right - the truth is that much of what is spiritual is likely beyond our understanding. Mostly I think christianity is about becoming a loving person - but I think that is too hard for most people so they go the legalistic route (I can’t hardly blame them - it is very hard to be loving).

There is something extremely fascinating about christianity and for me it is the idea of the atonement - that one can stand in for another. It affects me on a gut level. It just has the ring of truth to it.

Most of the other trappings of religion I don’t even care about. For myself I keep to the basics, like the nicene creed - it’s what I feel is the core and most important part. Beyond that I have no clue.

[boatbums]

Just think, they can leave all the old posters up and just stamp the revised month over the old one. Think of all the money that would save!

[Salvation]

I am currently reading this book. A much different story than Camping's

BTW, this book was written in 1881; you wouldn't believe how accurate it is!

 

Reading this book was one of the greatest graces of my life!"
— St. Thérèse of Lisieux

In the late nineteenth century, Father Charles Arminjon, a priest from the mountains of southeastern France, assembled his flock in the town cathedral to preach a series of conferences to help them turn their thoughts away from this life’s mean material affairs—and toward the next life’s glorious spiritual reward. His wise and uncompromising words deepened in them the spirit of recollection that all Christians must have: the abiding conviction that heavenly aims, not temporal enthusiasms, must guide everything we think, say, and do.

When Father Arminjon’s conferences were later published in a book, many others were able to reap the same benefit—including fourteen-year-old Thérèse Martin, then on the cusp of entering the Carmelite convent in Lisieux. Reading it, she says, “plunged my soul into a happiness not of this earth.” Young Thérèse, filled with a sense of “what God reserves for those who love him, and seeing that the eternal rewards had no proportion to the light sacrifices of life,” copied out numerous passages and memorized them, “repeating unceasingly the words of love burning in my heart.”

Now the very book that so inspired the Little Flower is available for the first time in English.

Let the pages of The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life fill you with the same burning words of love, with the same ardent desire to know God above all created things, that St. Thérèse gained from them. Let them also enrich your understanding of certain teachings of the Faith that can often seem so mysterious, even frightening:

• The signs that will precede the world’s end
• The coming of the Antichrist, and how to recognize him
• The Judgment and where it may send us: heaven, hell, and purgatory
• Biblical end-times prophecy: how to read it and not be deceived

  Jesus commands us to be ever-watchful for his return, and ever-mindful that we have no lasting city on earth. The End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life is an invaluable aid to inculcating in your spirit that heavenly orientation, without which true human happiness cannot be found—in this world or the next.

[Campion]

My arguement is that Michael is His name from eternity.

Except that Jesus isn't "like" God, he *is* God.

The name Michael can also be understood as a rhetorical question -- "Who is like God?"; the correct answer being, "Nobody". I believe this is the traditional Hebrew understanding of the name.

Jesus' "pre-existing name"? YVWH, of course.

[Jonty30]

If you read Isaish, Christ had several names.

Who is like God, is a title and statement and not a question. You’d have to show it was intended as a question and not a statemnt for it to not be correct.

[Campion]

You’d have to show it was intended as a question

Not a Hebrew scholar, but some cursory reading seems to indicate that the Hebrew is unambiguous about being a question, not a statement: meaning of "Michael"

[Jonty30]

You may be right and I may be crazy - Billy Joel.

The reason why I don’t agree that it is a question is for two reasons.

1. Michael is a real being, doing real things. He’s not written about in a commentary format in the same sort of format that the leviathan is spoken of in Job, where Job is commenting on the power of God and whatnot.

2. Michael contends directly with Satan. Satan is the reason we’re in this mess and he’s the main antagonist. It would seem a strange thing that God would pass the responsibility off to somebody lesser than Satan was. It could only be appropriate that God Himself takes care of business when dealing with him.

[Jonty30]

Just to be clear, the Adventist understanding issue is not meant to lessen the position of Christ, for He is God and eteral. But rather, it is bringing up the name Michael, which has been given a lesser weight by other Christian denominations.

[Campion]

It would seem a strange thing that God would pass the responsibility off to somebody lesser than Satan was.

That's exactly what God does, the more profoundly to humiliate Satan. He's not setting out to appeal to Satan's pride, which is already well out of control. He uses the lowly to humble the great; cf Lk 1:46-55.

The following prayer was said at the end of every Catholic Mass from about 1880 until 1963:

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell Satan, and all the evil spirits, who prowl about the world seeking the ruin and destruction of souls.