The Not So Secret Rapture

Genesis 12:1-3 Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you. And I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you and make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Yes, and?

“I will bless those who bless you” is plainly a reference to Abraham and his Seed, in whom all the nations of the earth will be blessed. It is not a reference to the modern Jews or the secular state of Israel.

Did your prophecy teachers tell you something different?

...and, not so much ignored as butchered, as they like to quote the ‘thief in the night’ part but omit the following reference to the earth and heaven being destroyed. There is no way anyone lives on this earth after the thief in the night comes.

You can keep your anti-Israel stand.

Fortunate for you this is the RF.

"The point is, believers will be protected during the tribulation but they will not be removed. We don’t leave until Christ’s real, loud, visual return and that’s where he destroys everything, except us.

Amen!

Why is he anti Israel?

WHY IS IT that most of the more combative REPLACEMENTARIANS like the most combative RC’s are soooooooooooo thin-skinned, prickry, stuffed-up, OB-COM, haughty, prissy, self-righteous, irrational, shallow, control-phreaqued, foot-stamping, constricted pontificators on FR?

This is called "projection".

In reading Revelation there is continual reference to those left on the earth not repenting of their sin, and wehn [sic] God destroys Babylon, it’s for the evil in it.

What other reason do you propose for God poring [sic] out judgment on the earth? The fun of it? He has nothing better to do?

He probably doesn't, and what better thing could he be doing than this? The heavens and earth are told to rejoice in this single hour of destruction. I don't think God is going to be saying, "You know, I told everyone to rejoice in this, but I really didn't enjoy doing that at all." He will derive great pleasure in thoroughly kicking the ass of Evil. Besides, all that comes after the great tribulation and John seeing those who gave their lives for the Lamb during the tribulation. Again, we have an example of an extra-biblical teaching (pre-trib rapture) being used to contextualize things in scripture and then those contextualizations being used to reinterpret other parts of scripture and see things that just are not there, ie, "those left on the earth" if, by that, you mean "those left behind after the pretribulation rapture" because even during that time after the great tribulation and right up to the destruction of Babylon, there are faithful believers on the earth (Rev 18:4).

There is one way that what Jesus warned about the period of great tribulation could also encompass the bowl judgments of God. I'll see if you can spot it. It depends on whether Jesus was being literal with his superlatives or using that as a way of saying "it's going to be really, really bad so be forewarned" or was being very specific with his categories (tribulation being something distinct from judgment). Either way, though, he warned believers that they would be going through it and that God would be watching out for them (Mt 24:22).

You can keep your anti-Israel stand.

Nice dodge. Gen. 12 says nothing about modern Israel. For you to use it as an excuse to bash folks who don't share your odd eschatology is unwarranted.

Besides, I'm not “anti-Israel.” I'm anti the prophecy pimps who use modern Israel as a pawn to prop up their aberrant theology. Your only real objection is that I don't swallow hook line and sinker your theology.

I don't confuse what you teach with what the Bible teaches.

Wellllllllllllllllllllllll:

It is difficult to observe someone claming to be a Christian post such false, unmitigatedly outrageously wrong HOGWASH.

I've documented the inaccuracy, wrongness, falseness etc. of your assertion about Stan's clearance before.

My own clearance was TOPSECRET CRYPTO. I'm not ignorant of clearances.

My relative with an extremely high clearance asserted that there are at least 30 or some such clearances above TOP SECRET.

Your assertion is GROSSLY MISLEADING.

Technically--in terms of the commonly known clearances, they go from CONFIDENTIAL, through SECRET to TOP SECRET.

What you fail to acknowledge, is that in many cases, most cases, ABOVE TOP SECRET, THE CLEARANCES AND THEIR LABELS ARE CLASSIFIED themselves--though many have been outted. Further, that they are hyphenated in some sense technically though in use they are not.

That is they are TOP SECRET--SPECIAL ACCESS/______ EYES ONLY. e.g. CINCPAC's EYES ONLY, PRESIDENT'S EYES ONLY etc. Anyone who thinks that PRESIDENT'S EYES ONLY is

!NOT! "ABOVE" mere TOP SECRET

IS

Either grossly uninformed, unaware, ignorant, deliberately deceptive, clueless and/or outrageously perverse in playing some idiotic game.

Certainly everyone handling such materials knows better. As do those who lock you in prison for treating them equal to TOP SECRET.

This website gives very basic information on such:
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http://www.clearancejobs.com/security_clearance_faq.pdf

to wit from there:

What is a “special access authorization?” Access to classified defense information is based on an appropriate level of security clearance (Confidential, Secret or Top Secret) and a “need-to-know.” Need-to-know can be either a formal or an informal determination.

All classified defense information exists within one of these two “need-to-know” domains— formal or informal. Information that exists within the domain of informal need-to-know determinations is referred to as “collateral classified” information. Information that requires a formal need-to-know determination (also known as a special access authorization) exists within Special Access Programs (SAP) and Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI).

Acronyms such as ATOMAL, CNWDI, COMSEC, COSMIC, CRYPTO, NOFORN, ORCON, SAP, SCI, SIOP-ESI, SPECAT, SIOP-ESI, etc., are not clearances. They are categories of classified information, some of which have extra need-to-know restrictions or require special access authorizations.
For example,
COSMIC stands for “Control of Secret Material in an International Command.” COSMIC Top Secret is the term used for NATO Top Secret Information. There are many such markings stamped or printed on classified material, but most are only acronyms denoting special administrative handling procedures.
[IN FUNCTION AND IN THE MINDS, CONVERSATIONS AND HANDLING OF SUCH MATERIALS by the people who do it--COSMIC etc. designations ARE CONSIDERED TO BE HIGHER in CLEARANCE AUTHORIZATION than those without such HIGHER level authorization.

And, if the category is particularly sensitive, another investigation is implemented to obtain the "HIGHER" clearance authorization.]
How can I be granted Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) access?

No one is actually granted SCI access, since SCI encompasses several categories of compartmented information. People are granted eligibility for SCI access. Once this eligibility has been established, a person can be granted a special access authorization for a specific category of information within SCI. In order to be considered for SCI access, a cleared individual must first be nominated for an SCI billet and approved by the government agency that controls the information.

What is a Special Access Program (SAP)?

A SAP is defined as: "a program established for a specific class of classified information that imposes safeguarding and access requirements that exceed those normally required for information at the same classification level." Technically, SCI is a SAP. Some SAPs are referred to as "black" programs; the very existence of which can be classified.

This page from the above doc would give the impression that your outrageously false assertion was correct:

What are the security clearance levels? Security clearances can be issued by many United States government agencies, including the Department of Defense (DoD), the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Energy (DoE), the Department of Justice, and the Central Intelligence Agency. DoE clearances include the “L,” and “Q” levels. DoD issues more than 80% of all clearances. There are three levels of DoD security clearances:
• Confidential
• Secret
• Top Secret.

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However, as I've noted, anyone that thinks that CINCPAC EYES ONLY level clearance etc. are NOT FUNCTIONALLY "HIGHER" than a garden variety TOP SECRET is uninformed, clueless, or enjoys playing some sort of strange game of deception.

The Wiki article from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_clearance

Sheds a bit more light on it:

Security assessment/clearances
Individuals who require access to more sensitive information (or access to sensitive federal government sites and/or assets) because of their job will be required to sign the Security Clearance Form (TBS/SCT 330-60e). There are three basic levels of clearance:

Confidential (Level 1)

In addition to the RS checks, foreign employments, immediate relatives, and marriages/common-law relationships must be declared and be screened.
This level of clearance will grant the right to access designated and classified information up to Confidential level on a need-to-know basis. Department Head have the discretion to allow for an individual to access Secret level information without higher level clearance on a case-to-case basis.

Secret (Level 2)

Same as Confidential.
This level of clearance will grant the right to access designated and classified information up to Secret level on a need-to-know basis. Department Heads have the discretion to allow for an individual to access Top Secret-level information without higher-level clearance on a case-to-case basis.

Top Secret (Level 3)

In addition to the checks at the Secret level, foreign travels, assets, and character references must be given. Field check will also be conducted prior to granting the clearance.
This level of clearance will grant the right to access all designated and classified information on a need-to-know basis.

[edit] Site access

An additional category called 'Site Access' exists not for access to information purposes but for those that require physical access to sites or facilities designated by CSIS as areas "reasonably be expected to be targeted by those who engage in activities constituting threats to the security of Canada". Designated areas include Government Houses, official residences of government officials, Parliament, nuclear facilities, airport restricted areas, maritime ports, and any large-scale events that are sponsored by the federal government (e.g., 2010 Winter Olympics).^[4] The checks conducted are similar to those of a Confidential clearance.Hierarchy
Main article: Classified information in the United States

A security clearance is, in general, granted to a particular level of clearance. The exception to this is levels above compartmentalized access, when an individual is given access to a particular type of data. The President of the United States must legally be given access to any government or military information he or she requests, even if he or she would not otherwise be able to obtain a security clearance were he or she not the President.
[edit] Controlled Unclassified Information

This is not a clearance, but rather a level at which information distribution is controlled. Controlled Unclassified is information that may be illegal to distribute. This information is available when needed by government employees such as Department of Defense (DoD) employees. It should not, however, be redistributed. An example of the type of information that may be controlled at this level is the operational details of a non-critical system.^{[citation needed]}
[edit] Confidential

Also known as a "public trust" clearance, this is the simplest security clearance to get. This level typically requires a few weeks to a few months of investigation. A Confidential clearance requires a NACLC investigation which dates back 7 years on the person's record and must be renewed (with another investigation) every 15 years. Applicants are required to complete federal Standard Form 85P (^[7])
[edit] Secret

A Secret clearance, also known as Collateral Secret or Ordinary Secret, requires a few months to a year to fully investigate, depending on the individual's background. Some instances wherein individuals would take longer than normal to be investigated are many past residences, having residences in foreign countries, having relatives outside the United States, or significant ties with non-US citizens. Unpaid bills as well as criminal charges will more than likely disqualify an applicant for approval. However, a Bankruptcy will be evaluated on a case-by-case basis and is not an automatic dis-qualifier. Poor financial history is the number-one cause of rejection, and foreign activities and criminal record are also common causes for disqualification. A Secret clearance requires a National Agency Check, a Local Agency Check, and a Credit investigation; it must also be re-investigated every 10 years.^[8] Investigative requirements for DoD clearances, which apply to most civilian contractor situations, are contained in the Personnel Security Program issuance known as DoD Regulation 5200-R, at part C3.4.2
[edit] Top Secret

Top Secret is a more stringent clearance. A Top Secret, or "TS", clearance, is often given as the result of a Single Scope Background Investigation, or SSBI. Top Secret clearances, in general, afford one access to data that affects national security, counterterrorism/counterintelligence, or other highly sensitive data. There are far fewer individuals with TS clearances than Secret clearances.^{[citation needed]} A TS clearance can take as few as 3–6 months to obtain, but more often takes 6–18 months, while sometimes taking up to 3 years to obtain.^{[citation needed]} The SSBI must be renewed every 5 years.
[edit] Compartmented Information

As with TS clearances, Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) clearances are assigned only after one has been through the rigors of a Single Scope Background Investigation and a special adjudication process for evaluating the investigation. SCI access, however, is assigned only in "compartments." See Compartmentalization (intelligence). These compartments are necessarily separated from each other with respect to organization, so an individual with access to one compartment will not necessarily have access to another.^{[citation needed]} Each compartment may include its own additional special requirements and clearance process. An individual may be granted access, or read into to a compartment for an extended or only short period of time.
A representative list of kinds of information that may require compartmented access, without using specific national terminology, includes:

Cryptography
Overhead reconnaissance from aircraft, UAVs, or satellites IMINT
Communications intelligence, a subset of SIGINT
Design or stockpile information about nuclear weapons
Nuclear targeting.

Such compartmentalized clearances may be expressed as "John has a TS/SCI", whereby all clearance descriptors are spelled out verbally. For example, The US National Security Agency used to use specialized terms such as "Umbra",^[9]^[10]^[11] This classification is reported to be a compartment within the "Special Intelligence" compartment of SCI.^[12] The various NSA compartments have been simplified; all but the most sensitive compartments are marked "CCO", meaning "handle through COMINT channels only".
The US Department of Defense establishes, separately from intelligence compartments, special access programs (SAP) when vulnerability of specific information is exceptional and the normal criteria for determining eligibility for access applicable to information classified at the same level are not deemed sufficient to protect the information from unauthorized disclosure. The number of people cleared for access to such programs is typically kept low. Information about stealth technology, for example, often requires such access.References

^ ^a ^b Personnel Security Standard
^ Guide to the Audit of Security - March 2004
^ ^a ^b Security Policy-Manager's Handbook
^ CSIS Security Screening
^ Security of Information Act
^ ISM Chapter 2 Part I
^ http://www.opm.gov/Forms/pdf_fill/sf85p.pdf
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^ "NSA Bibliographies". NSA Bibliographies. 2007-09-27. http://www.thememoryhole.org/nsa/bibs.htm.
^ "William H. Payne v. National Security Agency". William H. Payne v. National Security Agency. 2007-09-27. http://cryptome.org/nsa-codeword.htm.
^ "US Spying on Indian Nuclear Scientists". The NSA has been spying on Indian nuclear scientists by tapping phone conversations. 2007-09-27. http://www.subcontinent.com/sapra/research/nuclear/nuclear20000619a.htm.
^ "National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 24". Declassified documents and Archive publications on U.S. Intelligence. 2007-09-27. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB23/index2.htm.
^ Tyler, Jeff (2006-11-17). "Private spooks for hire". http://marketplace.publicradio.org/shows/2006/11/17/PM200611178.html. Retrieved 2009-01-10.
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^ Willing, Richard (2007-02-14). "White House looks for faster top-secret clearances". USA Today. http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-02-14-top-secret-clearances_x.htm. Retrieved 2009-01-10.
^ Merle, Renae (2006-02-09). "Security Clearances Can Pay Off". The Washington Post. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/08/AR2006020802348.html. Retrieved 2010-05-23.
^ "Security Clearance Guidelines: Foreign Preference". military.about.com. http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/security/blforeignpref.htm. Retrieved 2007-05-15.
^ Arthur L. Money (16 August 2000). "Guidance to DoD Central Adjudication Facilities (CAF) Clarifying the Application of the Foreign preference Adjucitative Guideline" (pdf). http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/policyinterpmemo.pdf. Retrieved 2007-05-15. (the "Money Memorandum")
^ ISCR Case No. 02-21102

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Most garden variety TOP SECRET clearances do not require a polygraph etc.

Many HIGHER clearances DO require a polygraph exam.

I assure you that my relative's clearance allowing access to nuclerar testing activities and within sight of UFO type craft coming and going routinely, DID REQUIRE significantly increased investigation common for HIGHER clearances.

PLEASE--Continue spreading false understandings, impressions and assertions if you wish. It helps greatly to undermine your perspective's credibility wholesale.

ESSENTIALLY, THE FACT REMAINS THAT:

THOSE WHO WORK WITH
Security Clearances daily
Talk AS and refer to
security clearances for
SPECIAL ACCESS CATEGORIES
AS
"HIGHER"
than
categories which do NOT require
SPECIAL MORE RESTRICTED NEED TO KNOW

Anyone calling such HIGHER category clearances EQUAL to a garden variety TOP SECRET clearance would be considered an ignorant, uninformed, clueless soul.

May God have mercy if your assertions cause folks to believe a deception and suffer loss accordingly.

BBBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTT

TERMINALLY WRONG

yet again!

Fortunate for you this is the RF.

Why?

It is difficult to observe someone claming to be a Christian post such false, unmitigatedly outrageously wrong HOGWASH.
I've documented the inaccuracy, wrongness, falseness etc. of your assertion about Stan's clearance before.
My own clearance was TOPSECRET CRYPTO.I'm not ignorant of clearances.

Yeah, whatever.

It keeps me from saying something I’ll regret later.

Come on Lee. Don't you know that we have a genuine war hero on our hands? No wonder he tips to the left.

Thanks

for confirming the wisdom in adjusting my assessment of various

uhhhhh qualities . . . and criteria

several basement floors lower.

Accuracy can be important in critical situations.

It keeps me from saying something I’ll regret later.

If you spoke the truth in love -- rather than only offering drive by, out of context Scripture quotes -- there would be nothing to regret.

BTW,

I do appreciate the wimpy response

to the substantive documentation.

Has

SPREADING FALSE WITNESS

become another

Vatican Alice In Wonderland School of Theology and Reality Mangling

daily religious obligation and dogma?

When Religion Forum posters take the view that Israel is no longer God's chosen people or particularly blessed of God then I ask the posters to state their views towards Jews and races or genealogies because that particular belief is held by Christian Identity and other white supremacist groups, none of which are tolerated at all on Free Republic.

Another "red flag" is when the poster claims that the word "Adam" means white.

I gather

hypocrisy

is not in REPLACEMENTARIANS’

daffynitionary?