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The Not So Secret Rapture
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| W. Fred Rice
Posted on 01/14/2011 5:57:52 PM PST by topcat54
Evangelical book catalogs promote books such as Planet Earth: The Final Chapter, The Great Escape, and the Left Behind series. Bumper stickers warn us that the vehicle’s occupants may disappear at any moment. It is clear that there is a preoccupation with the idea of a secret rapture. Perhaps this has become more pronounced recently due to the expectation of a new millennium and the fears regarding potential Y2K problems. Perhaps psychologically people are especially receptive to the idea of an imminent, secret rapture at the present time. Additionally, many Christians are not aware that any other position relative to the second coming of Jesus Christ exists. Even in Reformed circles there are numerous people reading these books. Many of these people are unaware that this viewpoint conflicts with Scripture and Reformed Theology.
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TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: crusades; endtimes; eschatology; rapture
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To: presently no screen name
LOL.
I know, I know, I’m the shrink . . . however, I’d still like to ask your opinion . . .
WHY IS IT that most of the more combative REPLACEMENTARIANS like the most combative RC’s are soooooooooooo
thin-skinned, prickly, stuffed-up, OB-COM, haughty, prissy, self-righteous, irrational, shallow, control-phreaqued, foot-stamping, constricted pontificators on FR?
What is it about the theology that seems to cultivate such ‘spokespersons’ ????
I don’t get it.
Seems to me it has to be related to ATTACHMENT DISORDER but I’m skeptical that explains enough of the common dynamic/ observations, attitudes.
It’s long been a curiosity.
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posted on
01/14/2011 9:44:47 PM PST
by
Quix
(Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
To: presently no screen name
42
posted on
01/14/2011 9:46:38 PM PST
by
Quix
(Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
To: ReformedBeckite
>> So how good of you, you can quote at least two sentences of Irenaeus.<<
The full books are on line for all to read. Do your damn research before you try to scoff.
http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html
To: CynicalBear
In this case I am using Irenaeus statement of when Revelation was written to prove that John’s prophecy was written after 70AD which destroys Preterist interpretation of Revelation.Two sentences from Irenaeus that you quote is not going to convince me that Revelation was written after AD70, especially when you boldly state it is a fact that Revelation was written after AD 70, when in fact you really don't know but are going on what you have read from some premill book that you take as the gospel, that you put up there on the same level with the Bible maybe your putting it up their on a higher pedestal then the Bible.
To: CynicalBear
Do your damn research before you try to scoff.I like that Christian attitude of yours. FR can bring the best or worst out of every one.
To: ReformedBeckite
>>Two sentences from Irenaeus that you quote is not going to convince me that Revelation was written after AD70, especially when you boldly state it is a fact that Revelation was written after AD 70, when in fact you really don’t know but are going on what you have read from some premill book that you take as the gospel, that you put up there on the same level with the Bible maybe your putting it up their on a higher pedestal then the Bible.<<
I gave you book, chapter and page. Then I gave you the site where you can read the entire book, written by Irenaeus, yourself. Yet you accuse me of taking the quote from “some premill” book. Are you totally bereft of reading comprehension or so intent on your deception that you have been blinded to truth?
To: CynicalBear
They aren't here to debate CB...they simply want a thread to promote their position and insult those who believe differently than they do. Often you can ask a question or make a statement and they take one sentence to reply followed by paragraphs of their teachings or by some author that agrees with them/ It's a fruitless endeavor to attempt debate. Won't happen. And from the looks of this thread it's going in the same direction all the others have.
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posted on
01/14/2011 10:00:50 PM PST
by
caww
To: caww
>>They aren’t here to debate CB<<
It’s surely becoming obvious they have their agenda and no amount of fact will lead them to truth. I keep in mind the readers of these threads who never post. I can’t just leave the reader with only the wrong view I guess.
To: CynicalBear
see post 39 "....or your favorite premill web site....",
And let me add on to that and say "or your favorite premill web site that links to the Irenaeus material."
To: Quix
WHY IS IT that most of the more combative REPLACEMENTARIANS like the most combative RC’s are soooooooooooo thin-skinned, prickly, stuffed-up, OB-COM, haughty, prissy, self-righteous, irrational, shallow, control-phreaqued, foot-stamping, constricted pontificators on FR?
Not having the TRUTH. IMO, it's as simple as that.
We have the JOY of The Lord and all His promises to us are 'yes' and 'amen' and He is coming back for us/His Bride and we will be with our Jesus forever. We are blessed. Everything else in this world is all dung! It's ALL about JESUS.
WE KNOW we have The Truth, we have a relationship with our heavenly Father and those that don't react to those who do. "We wrestle not with flesh or blood......
To: presently no screen name
"We wrestle not with flesh or blood...... Why did Paul tell us to arm ourselves if we are NOT going to have to face the fiery darts of the devil? Paul does not say one word in Ephesians 6 to indicate that anyone still alive in flesh would be getting a fast trip out of here. Christ is coming here on God's Green earth to 'rule', and John says even the devil knows he has but a short time to set up his kingdom of deception...
To: CynicalBear
It’s surely becoming obvious they have their agenda and no amount of fact will lead them to truth. I keep in mind the readers of these threads who never post. I can’t just leave the reader with only the wrong view I guess.
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
That’s why I bother, too.
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posted on
01/14/2011 11:05:28 PM PST
by
Quix
(Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
To: presently no screen name
I think you’re right.
AMEN! AMEN!
Thx Thx.
53
posted on
01/14/2011 11:06:14 PM PST
by
Quix
(Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
To: Just mythoughts
Why did Paul tell us to arm ourselves if we are NOT going to have to face the fiery darts of the devil?
Christians face those darts all the time!
John 15:20 "Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.
John 15:21 "They will treat you this way because of MY NAME, for they do not know the One who sent me".
What is His Name? Jesus. Jesus is The Word. Those that come against those who teach/preach, live by The Word, experience those darts/persecution by those who don't want to hear/know The Truth. They did the same to Jesus. Satan has always been against The Word.
Christ is coming here on God's Green earth to 'rule'
Yes, after the wedding feast with His Bride and they return with Him, The KING of Kings.
and John says even the devil knows he has but a short time to set up his kingdom of deception...
"This world is his kingdom of deception. He has a short time left to reign in more and/or keep in those he already deceived. According to Scripture many have fallen to his deception.
Matt 7:13,14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it".
It's ALL about Jesus!
To: ReformedBeckite; presently no screen name
BTW,
it’s a bit shocking to me, that in spite of my plethera of posts,
so many of y’all seem to have even as much as 0.000000000000000000000000001% of an accurate clue about my ATTitude about much of anything.
Curious, that.
Clearly discerning attitudes correctly must have a LOT to do with the eye of the beholder . . . or their hearts.
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posted on
01/14/2011 11:15:24 PM PST
by
Quix
(Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
To: presently no screen name
Christians face those darts all the time! John 15:20 "Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. John 15:21 "They will treat you this way because of MY NAME, for they do not know the One who sent me". What is His Name? Jesus. Jesus is The Word. Those that come against those who teach/preach, live by The Word, experience those darts/persecution by those who don't want to hear/know The Truth. They did the same to Jesus. Satan has always been against The Word. Christ is coming here on God's Green earth to 'rule' Yes, after the wedding feast with His Bride and they return with Him, The KING of Kings. and John says even the devil knows he has but a short time to set up his kingdom of deception... "This world is his kingdom of deception. He has a short time left to reign in more and/or keep in those he already deceived. According to Scripture many have fallen to his deception. Matt 7:13,14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and MANY enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a FEW find it". It's ALL about Jesus! No Christian has yet had a literal 'face to face' like Christ did when the devil tempted Christ. That was NOT a demonstration of the strength of Christ, but an example of what Christians would be faced with that draws an end to this flesh age.
The devil is getting tossed out here on this earth, claiming and even appearing as if he is Jesus. Now how do you suppose Jesus loving Christians are going to be feeling when they figure out they were deceived and bend their knees to Baal. IT IS NOT going to be a pretty picture when the LORD of LORDs and KING of KINGS returns to fine his 'bride' out whoring with the impostor.
To: Just mythoughts
No Christian has yet had a literal 'face to face' like Christ did when the devil tempted Christ That was NOT a demonstration of the strength of Christ, but an example of what Christians would be faced with that draws an end to this flesh age.
You think that's the only time evil showed it's face? Scripture proves you wrong and well as the experienced of Christians throughout the ages.
The devil is getting tossed out here on this earth, claiming and even appearing as if he is Jesus.
Eventually. He has fooled many and that can only happened when one isn't grounded in Truth/God's Word.
HIS OWN KNOW HIM and He knows His Own! Something one can't comprehend if they don't know HIM - in fact that's a perfect example of one not knowing HIM - saying HIS OWN are deceived. His own have a special relationship with their heavenly Father - and it's the envy of many.
Nothing surprises God - He knows the end from the beginning. HE told us all about it in HIS WORD. The whores are those who come against HIS WORD - satan's little minions.
It's ALL about JESUS! Praise God for HIS WORD!
To: presently no screen name
Since Christ walked this earth and told the devil to get behind Him, the devil has not been allowed to in his body to interact with we flesh beings. That is NOT to say his evil spirit does not permeate this earth at any given time...
But Christ said He gave us power over our enemies... but there comes a time when the devil will get tossed out here on this earth and he comes in a the granddaddy peace peace peace maker... and he will deceived all those who have the ‘mark’ willingly taken.
See the tribulation is NOT of flesh and blood but the deception of a fake supernatural being pretending to be Jesus. But he the fake only gets a short time of playing Jesus before he gets banished for a time.
To: Just mythoughts
Nothing Scriptural about your post; it’s more like parroting words of others. Not interested - I have The Truth.
To: presently no screen name
Nothing Scriptural about your post; it’s more like parroting words of others. Not interested - I have The Truth.It is NOT correct to claim there is Nothing Scriptural about your post; but I won't waste my or your time in posting the very Scripture evidence.
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