History of the Bible (caution: long)

Orate Fratres ^ | 1/10/2011 | Victor R. Claveau

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Long before the Bible ever existed there was the Church. The Church is the pillar land foundation of truth (2 Tim. 3:15).

HUH??

A pillar is only good for one thing..that is to hold something up

What is a foundation ? It is something that is built upon

What is truth ?

Jesus praying for those that are His said this Jhn 17:17 — Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The church of Jesus Christ is to be built on His word, and it is to uphold His word

That fact points away from the Catholic church not to it

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[sayuncledave]

Congratulations. You’ve just disputed Holy Scripture.

[Theo]

Pro-Roman Catholic historical revisionism ...

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[S. Ruger]

This piece presents the standard “Catholics assembled the Bible” story, which has built into it the logical fallacy that I believe logicians call “begging the question.” This doesn’t mean “asking for a question,” but rather assuming one’s conclusion as a premise.

The individual “Catholics” who assembled the Bible were not the Roman Catholics of today. Those folks weren’t alive then. Further, in the time that the Bible was assembled, there were no Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, or other such denominations who boycotted or opposed the proceedings. The Church had no such divisions then (though I’m sure there were others, which are irrelevant here).

The collected Christians assembled the Bible. Much later, the Church divided into the denominations we know today. To non-Roman-Catholics (and I’ll stress that I am not an anti-Catholic by any means), it was the “Holy” Roman Catholic Church of that era that left the beliefs taught by the Bible and descended into paganism, fornication, carnality, idolatry, and other evils that separated that organization from Christ. (Personally, I believe that if that happened it was only temporarily.)

So today we have a slew of denominations, with the Catholics using the thin gruel of “apostolic succession” to claim that they are the ecclesiastical descendants of those who created the Bible, despite the legions and generations of non-Christian priests the world has endured and through which “apostolic succession” has supposedly passed. Sorry, Catholics, but we Christians (undenominated) make the same claim, i.e., that we are the “true” spiritual descendants of the Christians who assembled the Bible. That claim does not belong to a particular Earthly organization that perpetuates an earlier organization, with all the same dress, titles, rituals, and trappings of the earlier one.

I make this argument so aggressively because modern Catholics keep trying to sell this “we created the Bible” silliness, attempting to raise their Church above other Christian churches. I actually respect and admire modern Catholics, but don’t appreciate the holier-than-thou nonsense about the Bible. You start off by assuming that you are the true descendants of those who assembled the Bible, and that’s the problem with your reasoning that the rest of us Christians don’t accept.

[I Buried My Guns]

For the record, I read the entire article, even the boring parts.

I had no idea Martin Luther was such a doosh!

[Salvation]

Isn’t disputing Holy Scripture a sin against the Holy Spirit? The Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit, so in disputing it -— ?? Hmmmmmm

[Salvation]

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther

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When Was the Bible Really Written?
Three Reasons for Teaching the Bible [St. Thomas Aquinas]
The Smiting Is Still Implied (God of the OT vs the NT)
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Friday Fast Fact: The Bible in English
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The Accuracy of Scripture
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CNA unveils resource to help Catholics understand the Scriptures
The Dos and Don’ts of Reading the Bible [Ecumenical]
Pope to lead marathon Bible reading on Italian TV
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Books of the Catholic Bible: The Complete Scriptures [Ecumenical]

Beginning Catholic: When Was The Bible Written? [Ecumenical]
The Complete Bible: Why Catholics Have Seven More Books [Ecumenical]
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Bible Lovers Not Defined by Denomination, Politics
Dei Verbum (Catholics and the Bible)
Vatican Offers Rich Online Source of Bible Commentary
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Knowing Mary Through the Bible: Mary's Last Words
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Return of Devil's Bible to Prague draws crowds
Doctrinal Concordance of the Bible [What Catholics Believe from the Bible] Catholic Caucus
Should We Take the Bible Literally or Figuratively?
Glimpsing Words, Practices, or Beliefs Unique to Catholicism [Bible Trivia]
Catholic and Protestant Bibles: What is the Difference?
Church and the Bible(Caatholic Caucus)
Pope Urges Prayerful Reading of Bible
Catholic Caucus: It's the Church's Bible
How Tradition Gave Us the Bible
The Church or the Bible

"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther

[RabidBartender]

Thank you for posting this - very educational read.

[Theo]

Ah, I can play that non sequitur game too:

Isn’t denying that Christ is the Messiah a sin against the Holy Spirit? Hmmmmmm

[Theo]

Luther said all sorts of stupid things. I don’t worship Luther. I worship Jesus.

[Salvation]

**I worship Jesus.**

So do Catholics. No problem there at all.

[Salvation]

Catholics do not deny that Christ is the Messiah. Where are you getting that silly idea?

[Theo]

The Apocrypha — a term coined not by Luther but by Jerome in the 5th century — is not Scripture. Jerome was opposed to including it in the Latin Vulgate. By saying that Luther made up that term, you lie.

Josephus as well rejected the apocryphal books as inspired; his writings reflected Jewish thought at the time of Jesus.

The Apocrypha wasn’t included at first in the Septuagint. It was ultimately included in the Septuagint for historical reasons, in a different category from inspired Scripture.

While New Testament writers quoted hundreds of times from books of the Old Testament, they *never* quoted from the Apocrypha. The Apocrypha has never been considered part of the canonical Jewish Scriptures.

The truth is that the canon of the New Testament was set from the first century. Roman Catholics did not “give us the Bible.”

[Theo]

You had written, “Isn’t disputing Holy Scripture a sin against the Holy Spirit?” You were implying that I am sinning against the Holy Spirit by disagreeing with your historical revisionism. That is just mindless, “Salvation.”

So I bounced something back at you that is similarly mindless, to highlight your idiotic non sequitur.

[Theo]

I’m not finding the original document with that supposed quote from Martin Luther. All I’m finding is Papist apologist websites with that quote. I’m not even finding the book in which this quote supposedly appears, “Commentary on St. John.” I am finding a few sermons on St. John, but no “Commentary on St. John. I’d like to read it in its original context, if it even exists.

I suspect the quote is fabricated by Roman Catholics.

Here is a real quote from Martin Luther: “We believe not the Papists, because they teach not the Word of God, neither can they teach it.”

Hm. You seem so bent on promoting Rome, “Salvation,” that you’ll revise history and provide spurious quotations to do so. You have my pity.